How long Do Ya Think?

[AKWeav]

It'll be (or how many more mass murders of innocents) before the majority of the world tells the arabs to clean up their own house, or the world will clean them all up?

[AKIron]

I think we sent 'em that message about a year ago Weav.

[AKWeav]

"We" and a couple of other countries did. And dispite what some liberals might think, the message was delivered in delicate way.

If these terrorist didn't have tactit approval from the goverments in which they are based, they would find it much harder to operate.

The real problem lies in the fact that no arab, or muslim seems to want to inform on another who is working against us infidels. We even had an muslim FBI agent who refused to wear a wire while working undercover during an investigation of a terrorist cell here in this country.

I can see this getting to a point that the rest of the world declares a holy (christian) war on muslims. Another crusade so to speak. One that wouldn't be quite so deferential to "innocent" muslims.

[vorticon]

until you realize that its not just muslims...

[GtoRA2]

AKWeave
I think for that kind of world wide change in attitude you would need at least a very severe NBC attack, prolly more then one actually.

It would have to kill way more then 9/11, it would probably need to take place in more then one country.

[AKWeav]

I think for that kind of world wide change in attitude you would need at least a very severe NBC attack, prolly more then one actually.

Anyone here doubt that if the current trends continue (and the technology becomes available to them), that this won't happen?  They don't seem to hesitate one iota when an opportunity to kill a large number of infidels presents itself.

[LWACE]

i agree, my guess, they will wait until how we were before 9/11, no one really cared about any terrorist attacks or what they were doing until it hit home and became a reality, they will wait some years few more probably until we let our guard down some and tear us a new one again.

[Frogm4n]

Religious fanatics are a curse on this planet.

[AKIron]

We may have to follow the lead of KFC Weav.

[LAWCobra]

But then you must ask .... is there such a thing as a good Muslim?
And If so should he pay the price of his ignorant brothers?

[fd ski]

Great logic... we're fighing religious terrorists, so we..... TOOK ONLY SECULAR NATION IN THE AREA WHILE FLYING OUT OF SAUDI ARABIA, THE MOST bellybutton BACKWARDS NATION IN THE REGION.

Oh yeah, they sure got the message.
We did the work for Osama in Iraq, watch theocracy grow there real quick...

[AKWeav]

The point I'm trying to make here is Arab (muslim) nations are the only ones capable of shutting the terrorists down completely, or making it damn difficult for them to operate.  How many "infadels" are able to infltrate these groups and destroy them from inside?

They better get on the stick and join the rest of the world for the good of the muslim faith.

But then you must ask .... is there such a thing as a good Muslim?

I'm sure there are, using as a defination someone who dosen't actively support the terrorist.  But I don't think there are many who would turn against these same terrorist as long as they limit their attacks against infidels.

If this gets bad enough, the good may have to be sacrificed to clean out the bad for the benifit of humanity.  

That may not be a politically correct way of looking at things, but survival has a way of negotiating around that.

[OIO]

akweav, even if the gov. of the arab nations were to commit themselves to eliminating these fanatic terrorrist groups, they would not be able to.

Those groups are mobile,  organized in independent cells, operating in largely ignorant or highly religious and/or secluded population centers where they can lose themselves in and recruit in.

then add into the pot that almost all of those govs. are actually led by religious leaders in their own right or otherwise have to bow to religious groups to stay in power and you see just how improbable if not impossible it is for a gov. of those nations to shut down those SOB's.


The only way to stop religious terrorrism is to hit the root of the issue.  Ignorance, poverty and yes, a religion that is centuries behind and that has been warped into a power tool.


Whatever it was that broke the power of the Church in the industrial age should get a world heritage monument and recognition, else we'd all be hiding in our closets less the Inquisitors came a 'nocking while the local witch was burned down the street.

[Capt. Pork]

I think what broke the power of the church was an increase in the overall quality of life in Europe, a shift that stemmed from an emergence of the middle class, an emergence of a free market, advancement of science and rates of literacy. The Church, whether it happens to be a mosque or a synagogue, tends to lose much of its leverage when people start to realize that faith isn't the only thing to live for. There are exceptions of course, where even the comfortable, healthy and educated remain fanatics, but as a whole, I believe it's the above mentioned elements that broke the monopoly religion had on governing the way average people thought and behaved.

Personally, I think Islam may have set its people apart permanently. They live in a world full of new possibilities but tend to remain of the belief that Allah is  not just the biggest thing around, but the only thing around.

[irritant]

Originally posted by LAWCobra
But then you must ask .... is there such a thing as a good Muslim?

Of course there is. In fact, the vast majority of Muslims are opposed to the terrorists. Islam is not the problem, the people that warp it into something violent and intolerant are.

The attacks are not limited to the 'infidels' (us) in several cases. Housing areas with almost entirely muslims living there have been bombed in the past year. Even if the attacks were just limited to us, many muslims are opposed to the violence.