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« Reply #30 on: March 15, 2004, 12:15:22 AM »
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I suppose if it was possible to reason with you and get you to examine evidence, you wouldn't be sporting that avatar. Shout all you like -you still won't know spit about typography.



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« Reply #31 on: March 15, 2004, 01:36:15 AM »

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« Reply #32 on: March 15, 2004, 02:39:48 AM »
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Not bad. Now do it using a php driven website as per Martlet's claim rather than PSP - don't forget you need to get a different-shaped letter each time you use the same letter, as well as the hand overlap.

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« Reply #33 on: March 15, 2004, 02:56:25 AM »
None of the Es are the same, neither of the Ms are the same, neither of the Ds are the same, none of the Ks are the same, and none of the Ls are the same.

Highly doubt someone went through that much trouble creating a "make your own sign" web program.
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« Reply #34 on: March 15, 2004, 03:20:34 AM »
Why can't I use PSP, huh? Is it a limited resource that other's can't use or something? As far as actual handwriting is concerned ... why would it be any harder for me to get a sample of handwriting and cover it as well?

As far as whether it's done by a bot on a website is concerned ... that was never my contention. I'm just saying that handwriting style and covering letters is not a valid criteria for determining validity.

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« Reply #35 on: March 15, 2004, 03:39:12 AM »
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Why can't I use PSP, huh? Is it a limited resource that other's can't use or something? As far as actual handwriting is concerned ... why would it be any harder for me to get a sample of handwriting and cover it as well?

As far as whether it's done by a bot on a website is concerned ... that was never my contention. I'm just saying that handwriting style and covering letters is not a valid criteria for determining validity.
And that wasn't my contention - as my first post said - "If it's fake, it's photoshopped with the text hand-lettered." I was just saying it is NOT a website-generated jpeg. I did speculate that if you go to all the trouble of photoshopping it, you'd probably make the "then" legible.
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« Reply #36 on: March 15, 2004, 09:59:39 AM »
Making that picture in a few easy steps:


Open the picture in Photoshop.

Write cute little note, scan it, bring it into your Photoshop file.

Set that layer to "darken only" and give it a layer mask.

Trace the kid's fingers and fill the shape with black.

My contention was much like dread's. But I spoke too soon. Of course it's possible, even easy, to make that in Photoshop. It just seemed highly unlikely to me as most of the home made stuff like this is usually pretty terrible. I aint ruling out that it's done from some website or even that it's real. It's not funny no matter what the origin, it has no point to make, and it's just some hateful crap spewed by one sick person and probably doesn't deserve the time we're giving it.

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« Reply #37 on: March 15, 2004, 10:16:59 AM »
Nash,

Nicely put. I agree with you. Posting this was certainly tasteless.
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« Reply #38 on: March 15, 2004, 05:43:57 PM »
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And that wasn't my contention - as my first post said - "If it's fake, it's photoshopped with the text hand-lettered." I was just saying it is NOT a website-generated jpeg. I did speculate that if you go to all the trouble of photoshopping it, you'd probably make the "then" legible.


Well I'm no coder but I don't see why it couldn't be possible to do on a website even. I use the Geocities engine to do layered html all the time. I've layered all sorts of images and if I leave the top one alone I can merely upload stuff behind it and voila'. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if someone scripted something that can do that automagically. Even incorporate some randomness by having multiple yet similar handwritten fonts.

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« Reply #39 on: March 15, 2004, 06:23:14 PM »
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« Reply #40 on: March 15, 2004, 07:05:26 PM »
weaselsan: keyword in that was IF, obviously its not. So how bout my nuts your mouth.

That stuffs cool! Ima have some fun with this.
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« Reply #41 on: March 16, 2004, 04:27:58 PM »
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Well I'm no coder but I don't see why it couldn't be possible to do on a website even. I use the Geocities engine to do layered html all the time. I've layered all sorts of images and if I leave the top one alone I can merely upload stuff behind it and voila'. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if someone scripted something that can do that automagically. Even incorporate some randomness by having multiple yet similar handwritten fonts.
Yes it's possible - in the same way that it's possible to cook a thanksgiving turkey using only a series of individual fresh peanuts on the end of a pin held underneath it as fuel. In other words it's a time-consuming and ridiculously convoluted way of doing it, to the point that it's so unlikely that anyone would even bother (especially given that there are perfectly good ovens available) that we can rule it out as a likely source with one slash of Occam's razor.
You'd need lots of fonts (an absolute minimum of 4 - but if you do each letter different maybe up to 50), worked out so that:
1) The kerning works with all the different combinations of all the different letters
2) The sizes of the letters of all the different fonts are within a narrow size range.
3) The stroke weight of the different fonts match.
4) The letter styles are the same but show enough difference to look like handwriting.
All the above basically entails making your own typefaces, which is really time-consuming: 26 x 2 + 10 (for numbers) + 13 - minimum punctuation & symbols (!?@$&,.:;"' ) - a total of 75 glyphs per face - times the minimum of 4 = 300.
So that's 300 characters to be scanned or drawn, touched up by hand to avoid jaggies and weirdness, aligned, and finally kerned in relation to 299 other characters across four typefaces.
And why bother? 99.9% of the population wouldn't even notice it wasn't the same font, and they wouldn't be impressed if you told them. Coders would laugh at you making stuff overly complicated.
Then there's the image layering coding... to produce a JPG that can miss out a few letters of your typefaces and cover them seamlessly with a kid's hand.
And the pic's model is inexplicably censored, blackmail style - hardly standard policy on an "add your dumb slogan here" site: it points to a pic that lacks a model release or copyright - dangerous stuff in a litigious place like the US. And utterly unecessary if it's a harmless empty sign.
In fact the only things lacking in this magic website theory to make it convoluted enough to be discussed forever is some blurry footage of a guy in a car jerking his head back and to the left after frame 314 and an almost pristine condition 6.5 mm Mannlicher-Carcano round. ;)

Or you could just use photoshop, and only waste half an hour or so. Then cover the text you put on so lovingly with a kid's hand and some really amateur censorship... and inexplicably censor bar the Marine's eyes.

Or there's the really far out conspiracy theory: which requires the unlikely elements of: a US marine in combat zone with twisted sense of humor, a camera, a buddy to hold the camera, a felt-tip marker, some cardboard and two kids who don't read enough English to know what the sign says. No messy mysteries about the censorship or the handwriting look or the kid's hand covering the text either. Aha! That's it - a lone marine as the patsy - no wonder they censored the name! Lcpl Oswald, the game's up, I'm afraid.
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« Reply #42 on: April 29, 2004, 02:38:17 AM »
Ooops - Not looking too good for Martlets's magic website theory.

http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-2810106.php

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Investigating officers have spoken with Boudreaux and are working to determine whether the claims on the sign are true and what, if any, charges to bring against him, Pool said. Investigation results were not expected to be released for another week or two, Marines Forces Reserve spokesman Capt. Patrick Kerr said April 8.


Bit harsh, if you ask me. It's fairly oviously a joke - a sick one, but a joke none the less.
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« Reply #43 on: April 29, 2004, 07:58:19 AM »
"If this was a local Arab that had done this he would have been shot on the spot by a family member for violating the family's honor".

Is there really any question to the barbarity of these people?

Nuke em all I say.  Thats the way you do it, these guys ain't dumb.
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« Reply #44 on: April 29, 2004, 08:18:56 AM »
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Is there really any question to the barbarity of these people?

Nuke em all I say.


Why not use old and tested methods like gas chambers and ovens ?