Author Topic: Gv killing cannons? (Read 532 times)

lasersailor184 · « **on:** March 17, 2004, 04:01:07 PM »

I'm wondering why there aren't loadouts for some of the planes with GV cannons or various other gv killing stuff?

Overlag · « **Reply #1 on:** March 17, 2004, 09:39:38 PM »

37mm guns on stukas would rock!

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #2 on:** March 17, 2004, 09:55:28 PM »

23mm on IL2 will destroy panzer IV very easily. However its useless vs tigers.

The Yak9U has a 37mm and the HurriIID has 2 40mm but I have had no luck against Tigers using either while the 23mm on IL2 are much more usefull against all others.

I would love it if HTC gave us a Stuka with 2 37mm cannon. However I dont think they will beacuse that would make the Tiger and all realistic perk Tanks pretty much useleless as the Stuka 37mm cannons can penetrate some 140mm of armor up close IIRC..

Overlag · « **Reply #3 on:** March 17, 2004, 09:57:15 PM »

maybe perk the plane with them onboard?

stukas with 37mm sure do make good buff hunters in IL2.......LOL

Octavius · « **Reply #4 on:** March 17, 2004, 10:48:34 PM »

Ju87G's 37mm used AP rounds. I've tried it on aircraft... they dont work too well

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #5 on:** March 18, 2004, 07:40:35 AM »

I'd go for it being a perk plane with the 37mm cannons on them.

But anyway, if you're being taken out from the air, you should grab someone else to be a AAA support for you.

Kweassa · « **Reply #6 on:** March 18, 2004, 08:42:54 AM »

It's actually a dilemma..

If the Ju87G is free to everyone, Tigers lose their purpose as a 50 point tank.

If the Ju87G is perked enough to match the Tiger's level of rarity, then obviously noone's going to want to fly it - a very slow lumbering gull-winged kite, perked heavily for two cannons??

If the Ju87G is perked too lightly, then the risk vs gain ratio is too much in favor of the Ju87G..

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If the Tiger's lowered in perk price, and the Ju87G lightly perked, then that'd be the most ideal IMO..

I'd say 20 points for a Tiger, and 8 points for the Ju87G, as a sure-kill GV busting plane. That'd be good..

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #7 on:** March 18, 2004, 09:03:37 AM »

I agree. But there should be a few other perk / non perk GV's also.

Octavius · « **Reply #8 on:** March 18, 2004, 09:27:39 AM »

I can't believe you guys are even discussing a perked stuka!

Kweassa · « **Reply #9 on:** March 18, 2004, 09:37:14 AM »

I know Oct, but the 37mms on the G is such an impressive anti-tank weapon.

At least, with the IL-2, you need to fire a well aimed concentrated burst to disable/kill Panzers. The IL-2 can rarely harm a Tiger with the guns. Besides, most people are awful in bombing and rocketing.

Same with the Hurri2D with its VickerS 40mm - you need well placed rounds to disable/kill Panzers. The Tiger is also immune to Hurri2Ds.

But think about a free Ju87G added - if the 37mms are able to do what we think it should, then that day is the end of GV warfare as we know - back to the days when Osties ruled the earth, and Panzers were almost non-existant. I still remember those days - Panzers were so damn weak against gunfire, that nobody used tanks. Only after it was toughened up, did the GV warfare become really cool.

Why'd anyone bother up a Panzer or a Tiger, when any suicidal n00b can just crash into you guns blazing?

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To keep Ju87Gs rare, I think the only option we got is the perks.

JB73 · « **Reply #10 on:** March 18, 2004, 11:00:56 AM »

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Originally posted by Kweassa
Why'd anyone bother up a Panzer or a Tiger, when any suicidal n00b can just crash into you guns blazing?

because you are thinking AH classic mentality.

in AHII remmeber there will be GV cover (the trees and stuff) that bullets dont fly through. hence the n00b can auger all day into the tree tops and your panzer or tiger will be just fine. if you are darring enough to drive in the wide open without either air cover or ostwind cover then take your medicine. it seems like HTC is trying to desing a game where 1 guy can't go wreck and take a base all alone. you'll have to work in groups like IRL.

all the more reason for the 37mm stuka. ti would be "flack bait" for an ostwind, or easy picking for planes. if it was preked i would never fly it. why waste XXX perks to an osty shot from 2.1k where you never even get him in view?

Keiler · « **Reply #11 on:** March 18, 2004, 12:47:47 PM »

Certain planes should have the option to have something like an "AA loadout" and a "AG loadout"
First one would be HE heavy, latter one AP heavy.
Its not the calibre that penetrates, its the ammo. Even 40mm HE is rather futile to use on the heavier armored ground targets, like a Panzer IV.
40mm or 37mm AP instead will knock through the upperdeck and side/rear armor rather easily, except those of the Tiger maybe.

Karnak · « **Reply #12 on:** March 18, 2004, 03:15:50 PM »

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Originally posted by Octavius
I can't believe you guys are even discussing a perked stuka!

I second that.

It would be nice to see some varients added:

Ju87G-1 (2 x 37mm BK 3.7{Flak 18 or Flak 36})
Il2-3M (2 x 37mm NS-37)
Mosquito FB.Mk XVIII (1 x 57mm Molins 6pdr)

New aircraft that would be fun:

B-25G (1 x 75mm M-4)
Hs129B-2 (1 x 75mm BK 7.5)
Il-10
Me410B-2 (1 x 50mm BK 5)

humble · « **Reply #13 on:** March 18, 2004, 05:08:23 PM »

Actually I think an anti tank weapon is the biggest "need" for AH2...the primary tank defense isnt another tank (or tank destroyer) it's an anti-tank gun. I'd love to see a deployable anti-tank and/or dual purpose gun. That way you'd have player controlled defensive positions. That would force a more realistic combined arms approach. Both with regard to "load outs" for tanks as well as tactical air support. Also a great way to ambush spawn campers:)

Keiler · « **Reply #14 on:** March 18, 2004, 05:19:57 PM »

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Originally posted by humble
Actually I think an anti tank weapon is the biggest "need" for AH2...the primary tank defense isnt another tank (or tank destroyer) it's an anti-tank gun. *snip

The AT gun is the "poor man's choice of killing a tank".
Another tank is the primary unstrument of killing a tank.

But yes, I agree on the rest. Airfields could need maybe 2 or 3 dug in AT positions too (which should be standard anyway on open fields).