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Offline Ack-Ack

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« on: March 18, 2004, 01:12:44 AM »
Took a long time but thanks for finally squeezing this POS in!  Hehe now I'm finally off to play in AH2.



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« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2004, 01:24:00 AM »
Ooo boy.  I can't wait for this explosion.
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« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2004, 01:29:25 AM »
Oh yeah.

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« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2004, 01:54:25 AM »
There's gonna be whines to perk the Lightning in AH2.  Took it through it's paces off line to see how it handled and it feels good.  Doesn't have that 'rails' feeling like it does in AH, seems more fluid.  


Vertical performance is just as good and in my opinion better.  I had the P-38 pointed straight up until the speed pegged zero and it just flipped forward pointing straight down and out of the stall.  That's going to be a good rope maneuver in the P-38.   Low speed handling is just as good as it is in AH.  So basically the P-38 is going to pretty much spank anything that gets within range.



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« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2004, 02:03:16 AM »
Yeah, all that felt good to me too.

However the roll rate was...er..um...uninspiring.  I mean, the Bf110G-2 was outrolling it markedly.

With that roll rate it will be very sluggish on the evasive and that coupled with it's large size will make it an easy kill in most people's hands.  Hence I cannot imagine anybody demanding it be perked.
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« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2004, 04:44:23 AM »
congrats ackack on getting your 38 :aok

NOW I WANT MY JUG!! :D
please HTC... I have no more fingernails to chew on...

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« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2004, 06:46:10 AM »
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...I had the P-38 pointed straight up until the speed pegged zero and it just flipped forward pointing straight down and out of the stall.  


Is this realistic?   I thought low-speed FM was reworked to be more accurate in AH2?

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« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2004, 06:56:34 AM »
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Is this realistic? I thought low-speed FM was reworked to be more accurate in AH2?


 I should expect so. If the vertical process was clean and straight, I think it should do that since all the torque is neutralized.

 It's the other planes, that have a bit different low-speed handling characteristics now - lol, such as the Spitfires falling into dangerous flat spins when pushed too hard..

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« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2004, 09:57:36 AM »
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Yeah, all that felt good to me too.

However the roll rate was...er..um...uninspiring.  I mean, the Bf110G-2 was outrolling it markedly.

With that roll rate it will be very sluggish on the evasive and that coupled with it's large size will make it an easy kill in most people's hands.  Hence I cannot imagine anybody demanding it be perked.


Yeah, roll rate in the AHII P-38 is abysmal, to say the least.  Felt more like a bomber than a fighter.  At first I thought it was because I'd taken too much fuel.  On my next hop, I took only 50%, but it seemed to make little difference.  I thought the P-38L was supposed to have a pretty decent roll rate, especially at high speed, but not this one.  I will say, it is the only one I can get off the runway everytime without using toe brakes.  It also does quite well in the vertical.  Was able to stay with a Spit for several loops before having to point the nose down and run for it (got to love combat flaps).
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« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2004, 11:10:21 AM »
The P38 isn't supposed to be stellar in the roll (it's not supposed to be a bomber, though), it's just not supposed to get worse as speed increases (like it does with any plane without hydraulics).

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« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2004, 11:17:40 AM »
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The P38 isn't supposed to be stellar in the roll (it's not supposed to be a bomber, though), it's just not supposed to get worse as speed increases (like it does with any plane without hydraulics).

The P-38L has boosted ailerons, unlike any other WWII fighter I know of.  They were added to late mark P-38s in order to get better roll rate at speed.
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« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2004, 11:53:24 AM »
I posted this information before.

Source: America's Hundred Thousand by Francis H. Dean.

"The p-38 was a large heavy fighter not suited for quick "snap" or "slam-bang" maneuvers, and had a particularly slow initial response in roll due to a high lateral inertia characteristic. The problem was a slow start into a roll and thus an inability to switch quickly from one altitude to another, as in reversing from turn in one direction to one in the other. As one pilot said "It was disconcerting to have a fighter barreling in on you, crank the wheel over hard, and just have p-38 sit there. Then, after it slowly rolled the first five or ten degrees of bank it would turn quickly, but the hesitation was sweat-producing".... Power booster ailerons, introduced the same time and dive recovery flaps, gave p-38 pilot a lot more "muscle" to improve roll characteristics at high speed, but did nothing to improve them at low and moderate speeds where maximum roll performance was dependent only of full aileron deflection instead of pilot effort."

BTW p38 is supposed to be a great zoomer.

Also do not forget that all planes will be "cleaned" before AH2 is out of beta, so planes may behave slightly different in a final release.

I am watching AH2 progress and can say I like it and the work HTC has done is really a WTG.

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« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2004, 12:47:37 PM »
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Also do not forget that all planes will be "cleaned" before AH2 is out of beta, so planes may behave slightly different in a final release.


What Fariz said, a lot of planes when first released in AH2 had sluggish handling. The Hurricane in the last beta had a very slow roll rate which is now fixed in this release.

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« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2004, 01:29:28 PM »
Typo in the p38 roll rate.

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« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2004, 01:58:16 PM »
oh man somone's going to have a field day about your typing HiTech

bud wtg on AHII so far! i have yet to be disappointed.. all been good.
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