Author Topic: Bout that Spit LFIX.... (Read 1895 times)

Guppy35 · « **on:** March 18, 2004, 01:56:49 AM »

SO there I am going flat out on the deck in the AH Spit FIX chasing an LA7 thats near one of our bases. And this guy is walking away from me, going roughly 40-50mph faster then the Spit.

This isn't making lots of sense to me as he didn't dive in. We'd been dancing a bit with no one getting the edge and when he rolled out, he just took off.

So I dig out the Spit books and what I see is the FIX is that much slower on the deck then an LA7, but an LFIX isn't since the engine is optimized for lower alts.

I kind of like the Spit for defending a base. It is a short range interceptor after all, but because it's the less produced FIX, it sure gets short changed when it comes to running down the LA7s, 51s etc that come diving down and tearing across the airfields so often.

SO how bout that Spit LFIX or LFXVI? Clipped wings would be nice too

Yeah I know, it's been asked a million times and the LW guys would be upset

Dan/Slack

Karnak · « **Reply #1 on:** March 18, 2004, 02:08:58 AM »

Spitfire F.Mk IX: 321mph on the deck

Spitfire LF.Mk IX: 336mph on the deck

La-7: 380mph on the deck

The only Spitfire that will give an La-7 a run for it is a Mk XIV on 150 octane at +25lbs boost.

thrila · « **Reply #2 on:** March 18, 2004, 06:46:04 AM »

A spit XII would be useful though. But the one i would love to see is a spitfire LF IX with clipped wings....

Guppy35 · « **Reply #3 on:** March 18, 2004, 03:34:34 PM »

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Originally posted by Karnak
Spitfire F.Mk IX: 321mph on the deck

Spitfire LF.Mk IX: 336mph on the deck

La-7: 380mph on the deck

The only Spitfire that will give an La-7 a run for it is a Mk XIV on 150 octane at +25lbs boost.

Hmmm, I looked again at what I read. 150 octane fuel and +25 boost, used in the summer of 44 chasing V-1s.

Spit LFIX with a Merlin 66 360mph. about 30 mph faster then a similar LFIX with 100 octane and +18 boost.

Oh well, wishful thinking I guess

And as a longtime Spitfire XII fanatic I'd love one in AH but I think that would be far down the list compared to other aircraft. A clipped LFIX is probably a more reasonable wish.

Dan/Slack

Karnak · « **Reply #4 on:** March 18, 2004, 03:51:46 PM »

Guppy35,

Come on man, be serious. The perked Spitfire Mk XIV is limited to +18lbs boost. You have got to know that any prospective Spitfire LF.Mk IX or XVI will also be limited to +18lbs boost.

Replicant · « **Reply #5 on:** March 18, 2004, 03:59:35 PM »

How much better was the La9 over the La7? I've heard that the La9 is superior to the Sea Fury, Bearcat, so would that mean that the La7 was superior to the Tempest, Spit 14? Makes you think for a few minutes!

Guppy35 · « **Reply #6 on:** March 18, 2004, 05:56:18 PM »

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Originally posted by Karnak
Guppy35,

Come on man, be serious. The perked Spitfire Mk XIV is limited to +18lbs boost. You have got to know that any prospective Spitfire LF.Mk IX or XVI will also be limited to +18lbs boost.

Sorry for not being more clear. What I was saying was that I missed the part with the +25 Boost, 150 octane when I saw the LFIX number the first time.

I don't expect, and wouldn't ask for that. I'd still like an clipped wing LF IX or LF XVI though. I just really like that version as it's about as close to an XII as I'm going to get in AH

Dan/Slack

Arlo · « **Reply #7 on:** March 18, 2004, 06:01:26 PM »

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Originally posted by Replicant
How much better was the La9 over the La7? I've heard that the La9 is superior to the Sea Fury, Bearcat, so would that mean that the La7 was superior to the Tempest, Spit 14? Makes you think for a few minutes!

Yeah .... them sneaky Russian bastidges got good at making fast prop planes alla sudden. We want all our LL stuff back now!

mw · « **Reply #8 on:** March 18, 2004, 07:53:59 PM »

Guppy35, you are aware that Spit IXs were operational with +25 boost in early May 44, before the diver business, right? Also, bear in mind these Spits were on to other tasks after mid August, when the V1's stopped coming over in any appreciable numbers.

Karnak · « **Reply #9 on:** March 18, 2004, 08:16:03 PM »

mw,

That is true, but I doubt that +25lbs boost will be modeled on anything in AH.

Guppy35,

What I'd like to see is a Spitfire Mk VIII powered by a Merlin 66. That would give a Pacific Spitfire, longer range and a lower mark number that might keep some people grabbing the Mk IX.

IX is a bigger number than VIII after all, and bigger means later, and later means better.

Now, many would know that the IX predates the VIII, but it might spread the usage a bit.

Guppy35 · « **Reply #10 on:** March 18, 2004, 08:40:13 PM »

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Originally posted by Karnak
mw,

That is true, but I doubt that +25lbs boost will be modeled on anything in AH.

Guppy35,

What I'd like to see is a Spitfire Mk VIII powered by a Merlin 66. That would give a Pacific Spitfire, longer range and a lower mark number that might keep some people grabbing the Mk IX.

IX is a bigger number than VIII after all, and bigger means later, and later means better.

Now, many would know that the IX predates the VIII, but it might spread the usage a bit.

I can live with an LFVIII

Yeah I was aware of that mw, but I understand Karnak's point that something like that would not be modeled in AH, despite the fact that the AH Spit IX is the 1942 FIX that was not used as extensively as the LFIX which was the pilot's favorite.

As mentioned I'm a Spit XII fanatic going back long before computer flight sims. I'd love the 1943 Spit XII that could do 355mph at 2000 feet, 372 at 5700 and 397 at 18K without the +25 boost and 150 octane fuel. They were running down the low level 190s hitting the south coast of England in May-June of 43.

But I doubt it would ever happen

Dan/Slack

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #11 on:** March 18, 2004, 09:51:32 PM »

I want the La9 just for its guns. 4 x 23mm all in the nose!!!! These 23mm have the same power as the 23mm cannnon on our IL2...

La9 was all metal faster and aerodynamically refined in comparison to our La7 but had the same engine power IIRC.

But who cares. Think 4 x 23mm in the nose!!!

Kweassa · « **Reply #12 on:** March 18, 2004, 10:18:40 PM »

Just ask for a clipped wing LF Spit9 by 18+ boost for a gap filler between the '42 Spit9 and the '44 Spit14.

We already got three variants of the Bf109 Gustav, and me I'm personally wishing for a fourth, the G-14.

In that sense, there's no reason why Spit9s can't come in multiple variants - HF, LF, MF, clipped-wing, universal wing, etc etc..

VooDoo · « **Reply #13 on:** March 18, 2004, 11:14:23 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
These 23mm have the same power as the 23mm cannnon on our IL2...

No, not the same. Only same amount of HE, but muzzle velocity is much lower.

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But who cares. Think 4 x 23mm in the nose!!!

Yep

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Replicant · « **Reply #14 on:** March 19, 2004, 07:23:08 AM »

La9 cannons...