An Open letter to those who feel the need to Cheat.

[Firefox]

Yes, I call it cheat. You can call it gaming the game or using all available resources to win, but I call if flat cheating.  There are two or three things (I wont bring them up as they can cause more to do it) that cause "Intentional Warps".  I was behind a spit tonite and he was steady while I was behind him.  The minute I fired he started Warping like crasy and all over the sky.  A buddy of his finally shot me down (Cause I was so intent on the kill just to see who it was).  Well I never got it and I hit the silk and he steadied right out again.  I went on 1 and wanted to know who it was but nobody was willing to give up a name.

Well this is an open letter to please STOP using them.  Its LAME, if you need to do that  just to survive then go back to what ever it is you came from.  

PYRO/HT if you read this (and Im going to send an email) this is the same as WBs once had and it needs to be stopped.  


Thanks

Please if you know somebody thats using this TELL THEM TO STOP now.

thanks


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Rick "Firefox" Scott
VMF-214 / MAG 11
WB ID: firefx
AH ID: FirefxAT
Have Gun Will Travel

[Fishu]

You have to think also possibility of real problem in that guys connection... if he wasn't cheating, but connection sucked and he didn't know about it? who knows..
But I hate those who does warps intentionally...

[Mitsu]

Fire, I had really same experience too.
besides also he was spit.  

but, I think the same thing as FiShu.
it's maybe connection problem...

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Mitsu <Bold Bastards> http://mitsu.sim-arena.com/

[Firefox]

Nope, Not connection, Im 100% sure that it was induced.  I was above for at least a minute and then behind him for good 20 - 30 seconds before firing (Lining up shot) dead solid.  The second I opened up he would warp (then If he thought I wasnt there he would be  solid) I worked back in and Bam Warps very well timed and very predictable.  I finally got shot down by sombody else (in an LA5) and hit the silk, I opend my chute right away and watched him fly away very solid.

I have no doubt he was using this.  Ive experimented with a couple of different technics to do it and its constant.


and it SUCKS

Hope they can fix this soon.

Also if somebody is doing it beyond a shadow of doubt (I.E. one of the employee's see them do it and have no doubts) they get BANNED.


That alone will deter most from even wanting to use it.

Just my opinion

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Rick "Firefox" Scott
VMF-214 / MAG 11
WB ID: firefx
AH ID: FirefxAT
Have Gun Will Travel

[Duckwing6]

umm another one about "intentional warps"....
i just can't believe that .. how would HE be able to predict where YOU are going when HE's warping around so intentionaly..

hey not everybody has a cable modem or even ISDN .. and then there are ISP's that just burp sometimes or hubs that go boomm .. causing a whole lot of packages to go into virtual nirvana ...

intentional warping .. HAH! ..

[indian]

I was online last night flying a spit, I got a piece of 1 nik and a p51 and shot down a nik. I was chased by a p51 but turned sharp to avoid his guns it worked or so I thought. I lined up on a spit and noticed screen freezes 2 or 3 real fast. I dont know what caused this but do know I did not. I dont think it was me that you were chaseing but could have been. The nik and p51 i got a peice of was finally killed by TT (nik was wingless already).

I have ADSL for a connection and have watched the NeoTrace screen and have seen some high numbers come up in pings, mostly low to high 20's. I logged after the screen freezes thinking I was warping. I dont want to make this sound like this is the problem cheaters are out there. I believe Firefox when he says he saw a cheater, I think a cheater's ID should be posted on this message board and let us deal with that person online.

Like I said I dont think I was the one that Fire was chaseing but wanted to let all know I think I warped last night and logged off immediatlly.

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[popeye]

What you describe *could* be an effect of the smoothing code and a bad connect.

When flying straight and level, the smoothing code can compensate for a bad connect, but as soon as you start maneuvering, the smoothing code can no longer compensate and you see warping.

If you bounce a guy who has a bad connect, he will look solid UNTIL he sees your tracers and starts evasives.  Then you see warps.  If he thinks he lost you, and straightens out again, the smoothing code will again compensate for his bad connect, and he looks solid again.

Of course, he may actually have been cheating, but it's not for sure.

popeye

[bashwolf]

Hello all,

1st of all wahoooo i figure out how to post hehe.
 In AirWarrior3 3D we had same problem with people abusing a certain key or keys that caused warps.  It was address to there staff and finaly they took care of that problem.  Also, The warp was reduce by at least 50% of the pilots that i ran into in AW3.  Again, we know most of the warps are caused by your bad connection we know that but several i ran into which warp right (only) when i got on there 6.  They never warp till they pass me i end up on there 6.  It takes the fun out of game.  I do have regular ISP connection (wish had cable or DSL ) that i connect to and my ping  is averg about 150-180ms with no lost packet so not every regular ISP have bad connection.  But i can i see it the intential warps will be gone in near future (hint hint HT  

Bash

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[Minotaur]

FireFox;

I can make no claims to how good this "Other Persons" connection was or wasn't.

I can really make no assumption concerning the level of experience FireFox has in this game or games like this one.  I suspect that FireFox can distinguish if he/she has a good connection, as well as the connection quality of his/her target.  I am certain that a person can definately "Get the Feel", for such things.  

Perhaps, "The Heat of Battle" is often a bad time to judge such things.  IMO for this occurance, there is really no other way to do it.

However; I have also noticed very ussual warping at times.  I felt this was a Beta issue.  This warping seems to be less than more, the exception to the rule.  This warping seldom coincides with being "Under the Gun", however.  It happens very sporadically and yes, sometimes "Under the Gun".

I have also noticed that at times, a plane seems to be flying oblivious, till I shoot.  Then warp to much different location, just at that instant.  Or, they just warp in the same way once I get fairly close.  This could be that I am just close enough to notice the warp.  Not that they warped purposely, just because I was a threat. (LOL - I'm not a real threat to anyone   )

From what I understand from FireFox, this particular instance certainly sounds supicious.  IE:  It happened more than once and happened the same way.  

"Warping Under the Gun" is a very good way to escape the "Shame" of being beaten.  Don't kid yourself people,  if it can be done it will be done.  

Merry Christmas Everyone!

Mino

[Hristo]

Here's one of the latest examples:

Found running P 51, who happened to be running just in the wrong direction. I was in 109, d15 behind him, some 500 ft on the deck.

He was well aware I was behind, and did not try to turn. With 109 in such position, he would not stand a chance. The chase lasted for one whole sector (25-30 miles), with almost the same distance. He flew on autopilot, no movement at all. For some reason I could not catch him, distance stayed the same.

And then - poof !! He vanishes. No explosion. No kill awarded too. Wasn't discoing addressed in recent revisons ?

[miko2d]

 You gave to remember one thing, guys - a player with very bad, warp-prone connect will still seem flying rock-steady as long as he is flying straight.
 As soon as he starts maneuvring, the quality of the connects becomse important.
 That may be one reason why steady-flying people start warping after seing the first tracer past their cockpits - they just start evading.

miko--

[dolomite]

Duck-

Intentional warping is a fact of online gaming, and while most people that warp are doing so unintentionally, there are most definitely ways to induce it. The sad thing is there are those who will resort to the tactic. Line squeezing, stick-stirring, and the many other faces of intentional warp are well known.

[Fallen]

Call me ignorant if you will, but what exactly is stick-stirring? I believe it has something to do with stalling your aircraft, if so why is it looked down upon? If an enemy is behind me very close ill cut my engine back and drop my gear or flaps or something else to slow me down so i stall and slip back wards behind him, then wing over and fix myself. Is that stick stirring?

-Fallen

[Pongo]

Had a run in with one of these guys last week.
He was runing a vulch up into the low teens and having a bit of a brag about it. I took off from another field and arrived high at the vulched field as he got his 15th kill or somthing. He had 5 buddies, I had alt. Both in 190s. As he climbed from vulch I lined him up perfectly, I deliberatly killed dive speed to make sure of clean shot. He was smooth as silk right up to d400. I had a full plane form shot at him. As soon as first bullets start going. He starts spinning in place about 3 times and then warps 4 plane lengths away.
Because I had dumped my e to get a good shot i was quick meat for his poney buddies.
He definatly cheated in some way. I let him know this over the open channel. He denied it for about 10 min. Said it was a split s...
Then he said "Well Mitsu alt-f4rd today ya know." I took that as an admission and squelched him. (I had probebly allready been squelched by most of you by then.)
I just have come to the conclusion that there is a group of players in this game that cheat on the defence.  They know each other. They wouldnt dream of taking the same risks as the rest of us. They think that people that let themselves get shot down without cheating are chumps..
Game is definalty worse for their presence in it.

[Firefox]

Ok, Ive been doing Online since 96.  I have seen this cheat once before in another game.  I am very sure of my connects and know when they go bad (I see lots of other condix).  Last night was a solid connect and things wer going very well.  The sky was full of airplanes and they were all solid (I look around ALOT when things like this). Ive seen this twice now in AH and one similar to it and Micky and I discovered with testing what the other simialar one is.  The similar one causes the airplane to jerk ahead like sombody pumping the gas pedal to a car.  I just finished a long note to HT on this.


I had not completed all my tests yet, but the one Im peeved about causes a plane to STOP or  FLOAT mid are for maybe 1 or 2 seconds then WARP to the direction he manuevered too (always a hard break left or right).  Every time I got back on him BANG it would happen.  

I also know the effects because Ive done some  clandestine testing with a fellow flyer.  We discovered you could induce exactly what I saw every time. It is easy to do but Im not saying how for obvious reasons.


I can be a Pain in the prettythang at times I know, but I have a fond love for AH and want to see it succeed.  But if the people are allowed to Game the Game before it gets off the ground we will all lose.  

Thanks for listening.  I can tollerate a lot in the game (well maybe unless you shoot me down when Im disabled and trying to land but thats a different story) but this is one thing I dont think any of us should.

Just my .02
 

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Rick "Firefox" Scott
VMF-214 / MAG 11
WB ID: firefx
AH ID: FirefxAT
Have Gun Will Travel