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Offline Frogm4n

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« on: March 18, 2004, 07:00:50 PM »
I love it when john mccain speaks his mind.

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WASHINGTON - Arizona Sen. John McCain, arguably the Democrats' favorite Republican, managed to step all over the GOP's carefully honed message of the week Thursday by rejecting the notion that John Kerry (news - web sites) is weak on defense.

President Bush (news - web sites) and his campaign apparatus have gone to great effort to suggest the Democratic presidential contender would be an unfit commander in chief, picking apart his Senate voting record on weapons and defense spending.

"The senator from Massachusetts has given us ample doubts about his judgment and the attitude he brings to bear on vital issues of national security," Vice President Dick Cheney (news - web sites) declared Wednesday. A day earlier, the Bush campaign released an ad arguing Kerry had turned his back on U.S. soldiers by voting against an $87 billion aid package for Iraq (news - web sites) and Afghanistan (news - web sites) last year. On Thursday, the campaign put out yet another ad accusing Kerry of waffling on military issues.

Enter McCain.

Asked on two morning TV shows Thursday whether he thought Kerry was weak on defense, the Arizona senator was quick to bat down the suggestion. Furthermore, he chided both parties for waging such a "bitter and partisan" campaign.

"This kind of rhetoric, I think, is not helpful in educating and helping the American people make a choice," he said on "The Early Show" on CBS.

As for Kerry, McCain said the senator would have to explain his voting record but he also told NBC's "Today" show: "No, I do not believe that he is necessarily weak on defense. I don't agree with him on some issues clearly. But I decry this negativism that's going on on both sides."

It's not first time the independent-minded McCain has strayed from the Republican line.

"He doesn't usually pick up the president's talking points and amplify them," said James Thurber, a political scientist at American University. "He speaks his mind."

That's just the quality that Democrats find so endearing.

In fact, when the Democratic presidential contenders were asked earlier this year to name their favorite Republican, four of the nine — including Kerry — selected McCain. He was the only one to be named more than once.

For McCain, talking about Kerry is not just business, it's also personal.

The two are good friends, a somewhat unlikely destination given their histories.

McCain, a Navy bomber pilot, spent more than five years as a prisoner of war in Vietnam. Kerry, who also served in the Navy during Vietnam, came home with three Purple Hearts and a Silver Star and became a leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the War. At one protest in 1971, he threw away war medals belonging to other veterans and cast his own military ribbons over a fence. McCain heard about it while he was still being held captive in the Hanoi Hilton.

After McCain was elected to the U.S. House, he campaigned against Kerry in his first Senate race, faulting him for tossing away those medals and ribbons. But the two came to terms after they got to the Senate, and began working together. It was McCain and Kerry, for example, who pushed to end the trade embargo on Vietnam and to establish diplomatic relations with the country.

McCain has described their current relationship as "easy."

"I think it's still possible to have a friend if they're in another party," he said Thursday.

The Kerry campaign welcomed McCain's comments, noting that the Arizona senator has been a leader on defense issues for decades.

"It's helpful to our campaign, but it's also helpful because it speaks the truth," said Kerry spokeswoman Stephanie Cutter.

Bush campaign spokesman Terry Holt said McCain was right — at least when he said Kerry would have to explain his voting record.

"As John McCain indicated, the record is appropriate to discuss and the record clearly suggests that John Kerry is weak on national defense," Holt said.

McCain has campaigned for Bush this year, but the two are not considered close, especially since the 2000 presidential race, when McCain and Bush competed for the GOP nomination. Bush's supporters waged a particularly negative campaign against the senator.

McCain "hasn't forgotten that," said Thurber. "But I don't think he's out to get him. He's just an independent-thinking Republican."

McCain said last week he would consider an offer from Kerry to be his running mate, but his office later issued a statement reversing course.

On Thursday, McCain said he didn't want to be vice president on either party's ticket.

"N-O," he said.
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« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2004, 07:03:02 PM »
I would have voted for McCain... and I still want to see Fred Thompson run.

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« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2004, 07:03:48 PM »
McCain is an independent in republican clothing only because he's be a minor league'er if he went independent or "Green".  I wanted McCain to win the primary 4 years ago, but his true colors have really shined thru the last 4 years.
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« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2004, 07:10:48 PM »
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McCain is an independent in republican clothing only because he's be a minor league'er if he went independent or "Green".  I wanted McCain to win the primary 4 years ago, but his true colors have really shined thru the last 4 years.


Wow now your bashing McCain. One of the best people in washington this country has.

Yes he sure showed you his true colors. The way he questioned ideas and stayed true to being a conservitive. He should just shut his mouth and pass what bush tells him to pass no questions. :rolleyes:

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« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2004, 07:13:35 PM »
"Zell Miller appeared on the Don Imus show a couple of days ago and shared his thoughts on Jon Kerry. "Senator Kerry," he said, "has been in the Senate for a long time. And during his tenure, he's introduced 500 pieces of legislation, seven of which have been adopted. Two or three of those concerned renaming bridges. A couple involved research grants. And a couple were giveaway programs, small loans, etc. But, he has voted against virtually every defense weapons system bill that's come down the pike. Now in Georgia, we have a saying that pretty well sums up his record: All vines and no taters." ZELL MILLER (D-GA) ON KERRY........"

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« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2004, 07:16:54 PM »
I would have voted for him and felt happy about it. I would vote for him this election if it was an option.

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« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2004, 07:19:19 PM »
~inconsistencies in his votes on gun legislation
~inconsistencies in public financing of congressional campaigns.

Quote:"I'm very proud that Libertarians or vegetarians or anybody would consider supporting me because I have a vision of reform for America that I think is taking hold, not only in South Carolina but all over the country,'' McCain said.

He's a vote potato.

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« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2004, 07:37:21 PM »
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[BHe's a vote potato. [/B]


Name one, just one, politician who isn't?   :confused:
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« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2004, 07:42:41 PM »
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Name one, just one, politician who isn't?   :confused:


One politician willing to cross party lines to get votes?

McCain.

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« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2004, 07:48:25 PM »
That is what makes him a vote potato?  

I would have thought hoarding 130 million for ad campaigns that anyone receiving US TV will be subjected to over the next six months qualifies as well.
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« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2004, 08:55:55 PM »
McCain can get the Republican nod in 2008.  If he does I will vote for him.

Of course he would most likely be running against Hillary for President if Kerry doesn't win this year.

Strange year 2008 will be.


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Originally posted by Frogm4n
I love it when john mccain speaks his mind.


I find that this is the very first time that I have agreed with Frogm4n.  It looks like 2004 is very strange also.
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« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2004, 09:53:57 PM »
Ripsnort has hit it exactly on the nose.  McCain is not a republican, nor will he ever be.



I'm surprised we haven't kicked him out or the democrats haven't taken him in.


Btw, Santorum would probably go out with McCain.
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« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2004, 10:59:09 PM »
the republican party would never support mccain for president. Its why they didnt support him in 2000, even though it would have been a easy win for him. He is to unpredictible, might to do what he was told.

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« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2004, 11:04:40 PM »
IMHO  MCcain would've made a great president but a lousy republican why?

He's too independent thinking for the  different lobbies in the party. Though too I do not see him as a Democrat since he is too hot headed to be with that group and to the looks of it Mr Mccain doesn't sing the Democrat's tune either :D

If I was living in the US mainland and had the oppurtunity to vote for a presidential election I would've voted for him if he ran.

Bummer he wasn't picked :(

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« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2004, 11:07:27 PM »
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
the republican party would never support mccain for president. Its why they didnt support him in 2000, even though it would have been a easy win for him. He is to unpredictible, might to do what he was told.


I'm curious, are you implying that the Democratic party actually wants independant thinkers that "don't do what they are told" by the various intrests in the party?