Author Topic: OMG! New WW2OL foliage DREUL!!!!! (Read 1952 times)

Vulcan · « **Reply #45 on:** March 21, 2004, 06:20:14 PM »

err Fishu, batz is right.

The amount of BS I realised the fanbois such as hardcase (and you) posted last year since playing the game is phenomenal.

IMHO CRS do not 'intentionally' put these bugs in Fishu, they are just so out of touch with the code, and have 'patched' the patches too often to even understand what happens sometimes (I remember a couple of rat posts where they refered to code they refused to alter because they didn't understand it, especially around the warpy 1.1x patch late last year).

One thing CRS excel at is making me appreciate the quality of programming that comes out from HTC, and the up front honesty about any issues or bugs.

BTW, did anyone see the recommended spec for that new foliage, they are looking at: "with the recommended spec being in the 2 gig range with a modern graphics card running 128mb of memory."

acepilot2 · « **Reply #46 on:** March 21, 2004, 06:52:30 PM »

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Originally posted by Vulcan

BTW, did anyone see the recommended spec for that new foliage, they are looking at: "with the recommended spec being in the 2 gig range with a modern graphics card running 128mb of memory."

I read that earlier and just realized that I'm screwed.

I have a decent system,
2.4 p4
512 RAM
cept for the...
geforce4 MX440 64mb

Creamo · « **Reply #47 on:** March 21, 2004, 07:05:08 PM »

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Originally posted by bpti
still doesn't look as good as IL2

Understatment of the year. I spent an hour just flying around in the new Aces Addon not fighting. The water is better than lomac and runs smooth on my machine. Hell, they need a subsim with that water.

I don't really geek out on games, but this is impressive. The online games, for a reason don't look as good, but if thats the new drool terrain, the the gap is getting huge.

Sixpence · « **Reply #48 on:** March 21, 2004, 07:30:05 PM »

Played axis for about 2 months, got real frustrated with the gameplay(couldn't go anywhere w/o a havoc or blen dropping a bomb on me), haven't played for about 2 weeks now, the game isn't worth the aggravation. They say they want "balance", but it is far from balanced, in the latest update they gave axis a 251 troop carrier and gave allies extra tanks to balance out giving us a troop carrier:confused: . The allies went on to march all over the map, they were taking 10 cities a day. What "balance" is to them is giving one side an advantage one month, then the other side the advantage the next month. This way they can use the same 1939 map for years instead of having to come up with a new map.

And did some say they fixed the flight model of the spit???

You have to be kidding, that's rich.

Oh, and did I mention the british rifle grenade that took out the engine of a destroyer?

Gixer · « **Reply #49 on:** March 21, 2004, 07:33:46 PM »

Personally I think people get too involved in details about armour and shell velocities etc. Just like they do in AH about flight models, It's just a game and should be enjoyable not frustrating. If you concerned about 25mm of thickness in armour and that's ruining your gaming experience maybe you should be playing something else...

CRS can put in as many pieces of the game that we require/request but at the end of the day it's up to else how we play with them. Unfortunetly for most that means grabing a tank and camping a base, which is a shame as there's so much more to the game then this simple tactic.

Step back and look at the achievements of WW2OL and AH. Personally I think alot of credit needs to go to CRS for what they have created and the support and ongoing development towards it.

Maybe you need to take a break, or try playing allies for a map. That might broaden your opinion. As you'll notice that allies have exact same whines as axis.

Oh if anyone wants to look me up in WW2OL my ID is same as AH.

~~...-Gixer~~

Sixpence · « **Reply #50 on:** March 21, 2004, 08:02:24 PM »

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Originally posted by Gixer
Maybe you need to take a break, or try playing allies for a map. That might broaden your opinion. As you'll notice that allies have exact same whines as axis.

~~...-Gixer~~

Oh yeah, went over to allies to fly, I actually survive and land now. I had an awesome flight in a hurc, managed to land twice and go back for more, racked up several kills. As axis in a 110 I would live til I ran into an enmy plane. If I keep my sub i'm going to stay allies cause I like the flight part of the game, well, living to tell about a flight anyway:lol

Vulcan · « **Reply #51 on:** March 21, 2004, 08:23:11 PM »

Umm Gixer, the Stuart was mean't to be put in as a light tank.

It was erronously modelled with 44mm frontal sloped armour when it should have had 25mm frontal sloped armour.

At the same time the Panzer 3H was erronously modelled in the turret armour, as well has having two critical armour leaks in the driver positon and hull gunner position.

Put the two bugs together and what you have is a virtual M1A1 Abrams tank going up against a 1940 Panzer.

Minor details are minor details.

These were major details. CRS was repeatedly queried about the performance. CRS posted many times saying they performed controlled tests and found no issues. A player finally video'd what CRS definitively stated as impossible and only then was it investigated and CRS admitted the problem.

The Allies do not have the exact whines as the Axis. You would have to be a complete moron to not do well in their model of the Stuart.

As I stated before, I have no doubt that its not a CRS vs Axis thing. I firmly believe CRS have poor quality control, and thats the root of it all. In sticking up for Fishus opinion, I'm posting facts, you're just posting heresay - see the difference?

Cabby44 · « **Reply #52 on:** March 21, 2004, 08:41:39 PM »

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"The Allies do not have the exact whines as the Axis. You would have to be a complete moron to not do well in their model of the Stuart. "

Must be a lot of morons about, then. I just saw 6 Stuarts get wiped-out in Thionville by the usual motley assortment of German armor/ATG's. Later that session i took my first German armor sortie ever in a 38T and destroyed a Matilda, a Crusader, and several Brit infantry. My commander and gunner were killed in the engagement but i RTB'd safely.

I avoided air attack by the usual methods, taking alternate routes, hugging tree cover, and not firing my weapons with enemy aircraft overhead if possible. Allied Crusader and A-13 drivers learn this lesson early.

And somebody mentioned IL-2. Comparing a box game to a 24/7, persistent "virtual war" is ridiculous. MMP wargames with ANY depth to them at all cannot employ the highly-detailed graphics of an IL-2FB and still run on today's PC's. A good compromise is all you can hope for, for now. All games have problems and players whine and ***** about IL-2 "discrepancies" too. Just play the games and have fun.

What's that old saying?? "It's a poor craftsman that blames his tools....."

C.

Russian · « **Reply #53 on:** March 21, 2004, 08:48:53 PM »

Stop PMSing and enjoy freaking game.

Vulcan · « **Reply #54 on:** March 21, 2004, 09:54:54 PM »

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Originally posted by Cabby44
Must be a lot of morons about, then.

yup exactly.

Batz · « **Reply #55 on:** March 21, 2004, 10:11:20 PM »

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"It's a poor craftsman that blames his tools....."

No its a poor craftsman who makes tools and claims they can do certain things then blames his customers when those tools break from "normal" use.

See what I mean about these fan bois. Even after CRS acknowledges an issue the fan bois can't accept it. Its not CRS fault for not addressing issues as they are pointed out, or misleading folks, but its the frustrated paying customer who causes the problem for pointing them out.

Vulcan and Fishu its your type of player whos at fault. Just because things may be wrong you should pay your sub and keep your mouth shut. After all a few allied types are having fun.

Gixer · « **Reply #56 on:** March 22, 2004, 12:57:21 AM »

My last post on the subject. Haven't got the time to keep up with message boards these days. Suggest you take your arguments to the WW2OL message board.

Both sides have their pro's and cons as far as equipment. Personally I avoid going head to head in anything against a 3H maybe you should try the same tactics against the Stuart if it's causing so much grief.

Of course being Axis you have the advantage of chosing not to go against the Stuart at all and fight against the BEF. Unfortunetly for Allies the 3H is always present.

End of day tanks are just targets. I currently have more fun with the 2lb'r ATG then anything else but know that 3H kills only happen from the sides, at short range and even then not always successfull.

~~...-Gixer~~

Dnil · « **Reply #57 on:** March 22, 2004, 01:05:11 AM »

has the stuart been mis-modelled since it entered the game?

Sixpence · « **Reply #58 on:** March 22, 2004, 01:37:40 AM »

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Originally posted by Gixer
My last post on the subject. Haven't got the time to keep up with message boards these days. Suggest you take your arguments to the WW2OL message board.

~~...-Gixer~~

You're kidding right? I posted there about people switching sides( It seems they have a problem with people switching sides and throwing smoke to give away positions) and mentioned that another game I played had a 12 hour limit on side switching and thought it might be a good idea(and I didn't even mention the other game). I wasn't being sarcastic or anything. Well, they erased my post and put their own words in telling me I shouldn't post that kind of stuff:confused: What?? Then what can I post? Just compliments? I can't post anything else? People complain about Skuzzy here, but they have the gestapo over there. Their BB is a joke. It's a fanboi BB.

Vulcan · « **Reply #59 on:** March 22, 2004, 01:47:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Dnil
has the stuart been mis-modelled since it entered the game?

Yes, the frontal upper section of the armour was modelled at 44mm when it should be 25mm.

The 3H was also mismodelled, there are two armour leaks and the turret mantle armour is to thin.

CRS will have both fixed in the next patch.

Wonder what Gixer will think when his Stuart can't take a 3H out frontally outside of 500-700m?