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Offline AcId

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« Reply #15 on: March 20, 2004, 10:20:05 AM »
HT knows what oil does when it gets out on the skin :rofl :rofl

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« Reply #16 on: March 20, 2004, 10:22:20 AM »
The work we have yet to do on the oil is mainly cosmetic.  The basic style won't be changing.  We did limit the amount of oil displayed because we didn't want to completely obscure visibility.  I have to strongly disagree with the idea that oil leaks should appear as blotches.  That's what they look like when you're trying to wipe them up.

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« Reply #17 on: March 20, 2004, 11:08:42 AM »
What Pyro said.

Ever seen a motorcycle crash where the sump has been knocked off?  Streaks and streaks and streaks of oil all over the bike and whatever it hit.  The faster the bike was going at the time, the more streaky it gets.


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« Reply #18 on: March 20, 2004, 11:24:09 AM »
I've been in and seen a bonanza where the oilcap was not put on correctly, luckly we were just taking off so once around the patch rectified the problem, but the oil most definately streaks and if the problem goes on long enough the windshield will be covered in a film and all vis will be lost.  Only prob here is the streaks are not spreading out and covering the whole windshield.  As Pyro siad they wont be doing that.  It's too bad tho, because over time the windshield should become obscured.

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« Reply #19 on: March 20, 2004, 02:00:01 PM »
That blotchy look like in IL2 is more like what you'd see if a fire were in the cockpit and left smoke patches all over.  My only thing is was engine oil really that dark back then?  I guess that could be oil from a really over worked engine.  Any time we take samples on our birds it isn't that dark.  It has more of a light golden brown look to it.  It smells worse than it looks though..:D

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« Reply #20 on: March 20, 2004, 03:51:04 PM »
Just been looking at those screen shots again, and its got me thinking that the oil streaks look a little too thin..

Anyone else think this?

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« Reply #21 on: March 20, 2004, 03:56:50 PM »
Another reason to fly the P-38L, no oil on the canopy.


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« Reply #22 on: March 20, 2004, 03:57:11 PM »
Another reason to fly the P-38L, no oil on the canopy.


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« Reply #23 on: March 20, 2004, 04:14:05 PM »
Yeah the oil streaks are a little too thin, they would spread as they streak, but I guess that is the balance they want between not totally obscuring the windshield as it would if it acurately spread.  The ones to the left look good.

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« Reply #24 on: March 20, 2004, 07:04:08 PM »
I think ht has had first hand experience with oil on the windshield but i could be mistaken.

overall though odd lookign compared to the artistic look of il2 the full canopy coverage is more accurate.

i have flown acrobatic aircraft inverted or in vertical maneuvers when they didnt have inverted oil systems.

even though i only did it for a moment when i landed and looked at the plane the underside was coated with oil even though it wasnt a ton of oil it still covered the whole underside of the plane and eventhe side of the plane as it followed the spiralling slipstream over the tail.
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« Reply #25 on: March 20, 2004, 07:04:26 PM »
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« Reply #26 on: March 20, 2004, 07:05:06 PM »
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« Reply #27 on: March 20, 2004, 10:04:56 PM »
Here's a pic from a crashed Jug that had an oil leak.  It could well have been what brought it down.  I offer it FWIW as it's obviously not the last word on this ;).  

This pic is from page 353 of William Wolf's American Fighter-Bombers in World War II:  USAAF Jabos in the MTO and ETO.



There are several things to note here...

1.  The Jug's oil tank contained 28.6 gallons and was mounted on the firewall at top center, not far in front of the cockpit.  There does not appear to be anywhere near 28.6 gallons of oil, nor even much evidence of oil at all, visible on the plane.

2.  The oil on the tail is dark but not opaque.  Note that you can still read the serial number through it.

3.  The oil on the tail seems to have come from flying droplets in the airstream rather than from running along the fuselage.  Note that there is no big oil streak down the fuselage side.  Also note that guys are leaning on the fuselage side up forward, which I doubt they'd do if it was a big, oily mess.

4.  The droplets hit the only frontal area of the tail, it's leading edges.  From there it streaked, but not that far, only about 1/2 way from the leading edge to the control surface hinges.  But this is in the boundary layer where airspeeds are low, so is probably not representative of something angled right into the oil flow, like the windshield.

5.  Unfortunately, you can't see the windshield.  You can, however, see the bubble canopy.  It's not too clear--you can't see the guy on the left wing through it--but it's hard to tell if that's from oil or just sun glare.  Note the angle of the shadow of the tail, which seems to indicate that the canopy is reflecting right back at the camera.

6.  There's something dark on the upper left wing that's not on the upper right wing.  However, I think that's just dirt because it's so far outboard.  I figure the plane bellied in from the left side of the photo and dragged the left wing at some point, which spun it around and plowed up dirt which landed on the left wing.

7.  I think the pilot's still in there.  The canopy's still closed and the red cross jeeps are still there.

8.  No telling what the left side of the fuselage looks like.  However, even if oil streaked all over it (which might be why everybody's on the right side), it didn't reach the trailing edge of the tail.

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« Reply #28 on: March 20, 2004, 10:05:46 PM »
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« Reply #29 on: March 20, 2004, 10:14:43 PM »
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Originally posted by Batz
One other thing...

Jähnert could be making it up, afterall he claims to have used rockets on a 190F-8!!! :eek:

:D


Actually, the Germans did have some anti-tank rockets that they used on Fs.  They just didn't have very many of them.