Author Topic: Remember When O'Neill Was Lying About Administration Focus on Iraq? (Read 1479 times)

Martlet · « **Reply #30 on:** March 20, 2004, 11:45:17 AM »

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Originally posted by maslo
ok .. so give me some correct informations.

If you can't see how absolutely idiotic it is to state that the US is broke, the US can't fight Iran militarily, and that Germany is holding Iraq together then nothing I can say is going to pull you out of your fantasy land.

Thrawn · « **Reply #31 on:** March 20, 2004, 12:29:09 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Now please be kind enough do the same for all the similar Iraq is quotes from the clinton adminstartion...

Irrelevant, the Clinton administration isn't in power, can not be relected, isn't lying right now to get relected and isn't the subject of this thread.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #32 on:** March 20, 2004, 01:00:08 PM »

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Originally posted by Thrawn
Irrelevant, the Clinton administration isn't in power, can not be relected, isn't lying right now to get relected and isn't the subject of this thread.

Oh no Thrawn. How can you claim the Bush people were actively "lying" but ignore the very similar statments made by the previous US government about Iraq for a whole decade previously. Was the previous US government lying too? Are you perhaps implying the Clinton era staements were simply based on faulty intelligence while, somehow, the Bush era staements are sinister deliberate lies? Maybe we just had imperfect intelligence on Iraq? You know, Saddam really wasnt very forthcoming at all about his "nonexistant" WMD program, kicking out inspecors and keep them out of secretive compounds and all... If you are going to make the bold staement that Bush was deliberatly and catively "lying" about Iraq then I think yiou should explain what your stance is on the previous adminstarions 8 year long policy stance on the Iraq threat as well... were they lying too?

Thrawn · « **Reply #33 on:** March 20, 2004, 01:37:00 PM »

Are blind? I don't care if the Clinton administration lied or not. They are not seeking reelection, haven't been in power for 3 1/2 years, and haven't invaded a foreign country recently, nor will they be able to do so in the future.

It's a complete straw man arguement.

Bush adminstration lied, and evidence has been posted to back up that claim.

Then you sqeak, "But, but so did Clinton."

So what? So probably did Grover Cleveland, irrelevant straw man argument. Plus you are hypocrit. You chastise Clinton for lying, then use Clinton's lying as way of justifing Bush's.

You aren't fooling anyboyd, and I'm not sure why I'm even bothering to explain to you, come to think of it. You don't even vote so are pretty irrelevant as well.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #34 on:** March 20, 2004, 01:49:56 PM »

Grover Cleveland? You are pretty desperate there, Thrawn...

I disnt say clinton lied, nor did I imply it. Talk about a straw man...

What I am asking is if you think Clinton lied with his iraq policy, a policy substantively like that of bush - which you calim is a lie. Or at least for you to explain why his admin had the very similar stance on iraq just as bush, which included miltary attacks and devestating sanctions. Why did clinton have that policy?

Clinton Iattacked Iraq countlesss time for the same WMD reasons. Clinton had the same intel on Iraq as did Bush, both concluded that Iraq was a threat.

If two different consequitive adminastrtaions from different plitical parties had the same intel on the same country wrt to the same general WMD problem then perhaps there is something more to it that simply "bush is a liar."

Your whole point seems to be that bush admin is somehow uniquely responsible for painting Iraq as a WMD threat. Well i say that we have a decade long history of the previous admin saying the excat same thing. And if you wanna make that accusation stick I think you will have to adress the very similar clinton era policy stance on Iraq which included daily militray action a bit more substantively thatn just trying to ignore it, pretend that it didnt exist or say just its irrelevant because its inconvenent to your views.

Martlet · « **Reply #35 on:** March 20, 2004, 02:11:58 PM »

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Originally posted by Thrawn

Bush adminstration lied, and evidence has been posted to back up that claim.

I don't know what fantasy world you're living in. You guys have been yapping about evidence, but you've yet to produce any.

maslo · « **Reply #36 on:** March 20, 2004, 06:50:43 PM »

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Originally posted by Martlet
If you can't see how absolutely idiotic it is to state that the US is broke, the US can't fight Iran militarily, and that Germany is holding Iraq together then nothing I can say is going to pull you out of your fantasy land.

where exactly i said that Germany is holding Iraq together and US broken ?

I said that German forces hold Kabul, whitch belive me or not is not in iraq and i also said that US have no military power to fight Iran, whitch is true according to last knowen numbers.
And i as well said, that US have no enough money for proper war, like attack Iran. I didnt say US army cant fight them.... i say that they will not defeat them. Iran is not third world country like afghanistan or destroyed like Irak were.

Look at US`s debts, flow of international money and you will find out that USA cant handle war with some country with proper army.

maslo · « **Reply #37 on:** March 20, 2004, 06:54:08 PM »

anyway im still waiting for your correct informations...

Martlet · « **Reply #38 on:** March 20, 2004, 06:58:38 PM »

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Originally posted by maslo
anyway im still waiting for your correct informations...

Apparently you didn't understand a word I said.

maslo · « **Reply #39 on:** March 20, 2004, 07:04:25 PM »

yes i did ... you did say, thatm im wrong if i belive that germany hold iraq.... but you seems to be quite off

edit.: like usualy when you run out of arguments

Martlet · « **Reply #40 on:** March 20, 2004, 07:18:14 PM »

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Originally posted by maslo
yes i did ... you did say, thatm im wrong if i belive that germany hold iraq.... but you seems to be quite off

edit.: like usualy when you run out of arguments

Here's a suggestion, go pick up a pocket translator, then come back.

maslo · « **Reply #41 on:** March 20, 2004, 07:24:51 PM »

ok got one on http://www.seznam.cz/sl
and now tell me, where did i say, that Germany is holding Iraq

Martlet · « **Reply #42 on:** March 20, 2004, 07:27:11 PM »

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Originally posted by maslo
ok got one on http://www.seznam.cz/sl
and now tell me, where did i say, that Germany is holding Iraq

Apparently it doesn't work well, as you still don't understand what I said. Keep looking! You'll figure it out!

maslo · « **Reply #43 on:** March 20, 2004, 07:28:41 PM »

You said

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Originally posted by Martlet
If you can't see how absolutely idiotic it is to state that the US is broke, the US can't fight Iran militarily, and that Germany is holding Iraq together then nothing I can say is going to pull you out of your fantasy land.

.... so you better keep your mouth close when you have nothing to say.

Martlet · « **Reply #44 on:** March 20, 2004, 07:37:10 PM »

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Originally posted by maslo
You said

.... so you better keep your mouth close when you have nothing to say.

C'mon, you're almost there! Give it another shot!