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Offline Pollock

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« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2001, 10:17:00 AM »
Ah how I yearn for a lockable historical arena pleeeze HTC...

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« Reply #16 on: May 30, 2001, 10:26:00 AM »
Vermillion,

I'm not saying that what I was fighting was indicative of the MA's population, but I will disagree with you about the Spitfire MkIX.  The only reason that it is at all competitive (this goes for the N1K2 as well) is that there are still people out there that try to turn fight it in their La-7/P-51/Fw190D-9/F4U-1.  It gets tiring to fight people who fly everything like its a Spitfire or a Zero.  The Spit IX either is a sitting duck, or it works the poor sod.  The Spitfire MkIX, Typhoon and Tempest are all competitive to one degree or another though. What I meant to say was that the only British aircraft yet to be added that I see as competitive are later versions of the Spitfire and the Meteor MkIII.

Pongo,

The problem I see with the Mosquito is the deck speed in relation to the other aircraft in AH:

Tempest: 388mph
La-7: 380mph
Fw190D-9: 377mph
Typhoon: 376mph
Bf109G-10: 370mph
P-51D: 367mph
Ta152H: 363mph
P-51B: 360mph
F4U-1: 360mph
Yak-9U: 358mph
La-5FN: 357mph
Fw190A-8: 351mph
Mosquito FB.VI Series 2: 345mph
P-38L: 345mph
Bf109G-2: 344mph
Fw190A-5: 344mph
P-47D: 343mph
Yak-9T: 337mph
Bf109G-6: 337mph
N1K2-J: 336mph
Bf109F-4: 330mph
C.205: 329mph
Spitfire F.MkIX: 321mph
C.202: 318mph
Spitfire MkVb: 305mph
A6M5b: 293mph

Thankfully the two most common fighters, N1K2-J and Spitfire F.MkIX, are slower than the Mosquito FB.VI which will give it some hope against those if they don't have too much altitude on it.  However, all the other common fighters are much faster than it on the deck, and the Mosquito FB.VI will mostly be at low altitude where its single stage Merlin 25s give it the best relative performance.

Fortunately last night ended a bit better.  I logged on and had a nice manuever fight with rarara in a Spitfire MkIX while I was flying a Ki61.  <S> rarara.

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« Reply #17 on: May 30, 2001, 10:30:00 AM »
Soda,
Ya, you were there.  Ya got me once. <S>.

Its kinda hard to tell what is on your own side unless tou switch the way icons are displayed, which I did not do.  I did visually see 1 Rook in an N1K2 though.  I didn't get close enough to any other Rook in an N1K2 to ID it though.  Silver P-51Ds are easier to visually ID and I saw several Rooks in those.

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« Reply #18 on: May 30, 2001, 11:06:00 AM »
Frenchy.. that is not as much of an aircraft selection problem.  I have seen as many as 10 aircraft engaging one enemy as of late.  Its a trend that I find quite discouraging from either side of the battle.

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« Reply #19 on: May 30, 2001, 11:11:00 AM »
AH needs an historical arena as a cure the the MA blahs.

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« Reply #20 on: May 30, 2001, 11:32:00 AM »
Karnak, I seriously hope your not putting too much faith in the "fighter" portion of the Mosquito FighterBomber (FB) Mk VI.

Its just not going to be competitive in a fighter role in AH, and really wasn't in the real world. Just like I hope too many of the Luftwaffe fans don't expect the Me410 (which was actually faster than the MkVI) to excel in the same role.  

Even matched up against pure fighters from the same midwar era as the Mossie Mk VI itself (F4U-1A, Fw190A5, La5, Bf109G2) its still not appreciably or any faster than they are at the Mossie's peak performance (380mph at 13,000ft).

And every single one of them will be more manueverable.

An interceptor/buff buster maybe; a night fighter, certainly; and definitely a very potent ground/sea attack aircraft with the armament setup that it has. But I don't know of any single mark of the Mosquito series that is competitive in a pure fighter role, or in a main arena.

In a historical scenario, I think it would do quite well if used historically.

Just dont' count on it being "competitive" in the manner you are discussing in Aces High's Main Arena.

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« Reply #21 on: May 30, 2001, 11:38:00 AM »
Set up a H2H arena for yourself, that's what I do for earlier war stuff.

Better yet... fly the Snapshots!

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« Reply #22 on: May 30, 2001, 12:00:00 PM »
Mosquito would be more survivable than some other attack/bomber planes in AH (Il-2, Ju-88, TBM) because its speed, even in low altitudes.
If it would be faster then it should be perked  

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« Reply #23 on: May 30, 2001, 12:51:00 PM »
Vermillion,

That is exactly my point.  The Mosquito will not manuever with a true fighter, but in reality it could match, or better, the speed of most of the fighters it ran into.  In AH the vast majority of types will easily outrun it and will all out manuever it, thus they will easily kill it.

I'm not expecting it to do well in a pure fighter role, it will be capable of swatting a surprised or poorly flown fighter, but all things being equal it'll die quickly.  In AH it will rarely have a chance to use its speed to any advantage because the planes used in the MA are not at all representative of what it was dealing with.  They are nearly all faster at low altitude than the Mosquito.

In a mid-war plane-set the Mosquito would do well (by no means would it be invulnerable or devastating to aircraft), in an near unlimited late-war plane-set it'll be slaughtered.

The doom of the Mosquito is the same as the doom as every other early to mid-war aircraft.  Condemned to obsolescence before they've even been added.

For my part, early war is not very interesting and late war is getting wearisome.  Others will disagree, but that is entirely appropriate.

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« Reply #24 on: May 30, 2001, 01:21:00 PM »
Like I said Karnak, I will fly the Mossie (the one with the guns in the nose) because it's my fav plane after the P47.

As a side note, my officer school in France was named after a French Mosquito pilot. He got the "medal of honor" postumeously while attacking boats. His squadron got jumped by 109s, and he could shot down a couple of them in the confusion before being shot down. (Looks like a classic MA furball example).

BTW, anyone has some infos about mossie pilots records? I may find his name again "Quedg" something like that. I would like to know what he really did appart of the legendary French propaganda.
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« Reply #25 on: May 30, 2001, 01:44:00 PM »
Frenchy,

It'll be my main kite once it is added, but I expect that it will have a very rough time of it, far rougher than it did in reality.

As far as its use against fighters, it'll be more than capable of killing fighters that get sloppy or under estimate it.

The addition of the Mosquito FB.VI Series 2 would be that rejuvenation for me that I mentioned the previous two versions as lacking for me.

Its still in my sig.

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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
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Bring the Mosquito FB.MkVI Series 2 to Aces High!!!

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« Reply #26 on: May 30, 2001, 11:08:00 PM »
Ok I fly the zero only this frame and I have come up with tactics against faster higher planes like the Nik.  I let them begin their dive I will turn inside their dive and climb a bit then I wait for them to do it agian the whole time i am trying to stay behind them untill they start their dive agian eventualy they either break and run do to lack of ammo, fuel or I get the advantage.  once I lure them into a turn fight I can kill them 1 on 1 now if I get into a 2 on 1 or more I am generaly defensive and I take as many snapshots as possible I am still working on that tactic though.    The zero is a VERY good plane in a fight it can take a fare amount of near missis before it catches fire or falls apart.  I have fall'n in love with the zero and I will fly it against any plane. I may not win every fight but I will make them work for every kill.

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« Reply #27 on: May 31, 2001, 04:13:00 AM »
...easy, perk the LA7.  Then wait and see what everyone flies..and perk that too LOL...etc etc.  

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« Reply #28 on: May 31, 2001, 05:49:00 AM »
Perk the La-7?

Does it have 20% of the MA kills? No.

Is it an historically barely used late-war plane? No.

Is it easy to kill in? A matter of conjecture. I fly the La-7 most of the time and the only time I've ever been shot down by another la-7 is when I've been gang-banged.

So, again, what is the basis on which it should be perked?
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« Reply #29 on: May 31, 2001, 01:48:00 PM »
something is wrong here! i AGREE with dowding!!

 

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