Author Topic: Clarke’s Characterizations  (Read 620 times)

Offline capt. apathy

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 4240
      • http://www.moviewavs.com/cgi-bin/moviewavs.cgi?Bandits=danger.wav
Clarke’s Characterizations
« on: March 23, 2004, 12:26:00 AM »
from msnbc, interesting charicterisations from Clarke, on top US officials.
cut and paste from:

Following is a look at some of Clarke’s descriptions of the president and other top officials:

President Bush: “The critique of him as a dumb, lazy rich kid was somewhat off the mark,” Clarke says, but he looked for “the simple solution, the bumper-sticker description of the problem.”

Clinton- Clarke was “beyond mad” over President Clinton’s lack of discretion, which led to his impeachment, but he generally praises Clinton as a charismatic, sharp thinker who could not get the CIA, the Defense Department and the FBI to deal with terrorism issues.
He says Clinton’s approval of missile attacks against Iraq over the attempt to assassinate Bush’s father deterred Saddam from future terrorism against America.

Vice President Dick Cheney- is described as quiet and calm but radically conservative. He says that Cheney believes the United States could handle Iraq alone and that “everyone else is just more trouble than they are worth.”
Clarke also blames Cheney for failing to speak out about the threat of al-Qaida during senior White House meetings.

CIA Director George Tenet- “was as much concerned with the threat of al-Qaida as anyone in the government prior to Sept. 11” but was struggling with internal rebuilding at the CIA, Clarke says, quoting him as saying in June 2001: “It’s my sixth sense, but I feel it coming. This is going to be the big one.”
Clarke says Tenet and Clarke jointly scrapped a doomed plan to capture bin Laden in 1996 at the heavily guarded Tarnak farm in Afghanistan. Clarke complains regularly about failures by CIA to insert spies effectively into Afghanistan and Somalia.

National security adviser Condoleezza Rice- has “a closer relationship with the second President Bush than any of her predecessors had with the presidents they reported to,” Clarke says. She effectively demoted Clarke in October 2001, when he became head of cyber-security instead of counterterrorism.

Rumsfeld- Clarke accuses Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld of plotting to bomb Iraq one day after the Sept. 11 attacks, despite the lack of any evidence of Iraqi involvement. He says Rumsfeld noted that there were no good bombing targets in Afghanistan but plenty of targets in Iraq.
“At first I thought Rumsfeld was joking. But he was serious, and the president did not reject out of hand the idea of attacking Iraq,” Clarke writes.

Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz- is quoted as saying during an April 2001 meeting, “I just don’t understand why we are beginning by talking about this one man bin Laden” and telling Clarke, “You give bin Laden too much credit.”

Secretary of State Colin Powell-  is praised for urging focus on al-Qaida, not Iraq, immediately after Sept. 11. Clarke credits him for recognizing the al-Qaida threat early in 2001.

Attorney General John Ashcroft- is criticized over his response to Sept. 11, especially over his handling of alleged “dirty bomber” Jose Padilla as an enemy combatant. “The attorney general, rather than bringing us together, managed to persuade much of the country that the needed reforms of the Patriot Act were actually the beginning of fascism.”
Clarke says an unidentified staffer asked him after meeting with Ashcroft early in 2001, “He can’t really be that slow, can he?” Clarke’s response: “He did lose a Senate re-election to a dead man.”

FBI Director Robert Mueller- who was hired days before Sept. 11, “cannot be blamed for the failure of the bureau to find al-Qaida or even to have a computer network prior to then.” But he complains that the FBI, under Mueller, has not managed to keep its top counterterrorism experts from retiring.

Former FBI Director Louis Freeh- is blamed for failing to coordinate largely independent FBI field offices or upgrade their computer networkshere

Offline AKIron

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 13310
Clarke’s Characterizations
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2004, 08:14:11 AM »
Is that the same General Clarke that was called a liar by Lt. Gen. Marc Cisneros?
Here we put salt on Margaritas, not sidewalks.

Offline ra

  • Parolee
  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3569
Clarke’s Characterizations
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2004, 08:20:01 AM »
Sounds like this guy Clarke is the only competent guy in Washington.   Good thing he wrote this book so the others can see the error of their ways.









:rolleyes:

Offline Ripsnort

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 27260
Clarke’s Characterizations
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2004, 08:22:17 AM »
So Clark is the next Ann Coulter?

Offline Torque

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2091
Clarke’s Characterizations
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2004, 08:23:00 AM »
Out of the loop much.:aok

Are they going to lynch this guy or what?

Offline AKIron

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 13310
Clarke’s Characterizations
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2004, 08:30:13 AM »
Here's an interesting article about your source:

http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/984206/posts


"While commanding NATO troops in defense of Muslim Kosovo and against Serbian Christians, for example, the hot-headed Clark commanded a subordinate British General to attack Russian troops that had landed without NATO permission at the airport in Kosovo’s capital. (Clark speaks fluent Russian but chose not even to talk with the Russian troops before attacking them.)

The British General Sir Mike Jackson reportedly refused Clark’s risky orders, saying: “I’m not going to start the Third World War for you!”"
Here we put salt on Margaritas, not sidewalks.

Offline Eagler

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 18766
security - this guy?
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2004, 08:32:51 AM »
"Masters of the Air" Scenario - JG27


Intel Core i7-13700KF | GIGABYTE Z790 AORUS Elite AX | 64GB G.Skill DDR5 | 16GB GIGABYTE RTX 4070 Ti Super | 850 watt ps | pimax Crystal Light | Warthog stick | TM1600 throttle | VKB Mk.V Rudder

Offline Horn

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1117
Clarke’s Characterizations
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2004, 08:41:55 AM »
Quote
Originally posted by AKIron
Here's an interesting article about your source:

http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/984206/posts


"While commanding NATO troops in defense of Muslim Kosovo and against Serbian Christians, for example, the hot-headed Clark commanded a subordinate British General to attack Russian troops that had landed without NATO permission at the airport in Kosovo’s capital. (Clark speaks fluent Russian but chose not even to talk with the Russian troops before attacking them.)

The British General Sir Mike Jackson reportedly refused Clark’s risky orders, saying: “I’m not going to start the Third World War for you!”"


Wrong guy. He is not military.

h

Offline AKIron

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 13310
Clarke’s Characterizations
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2004, 08:52:18 AM »
Guess I'm just not keeping up with the latest mud slinging. Link yer sources dangit.
Here we put salt on Margaritas, not sidewalks.

Offline Horn

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1117
Clarke’s Characterizations
« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2004, 08:56:21 AM »
Quote
Originally posted by AKIron
Guess I'm just not keeping up with the latest mud slinging. Link yer sources dangit.


He did in the original post.

One more time just for you:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4568982/

h

Offline AKIron

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 13310
Clarke’s Characterizations
« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2004, 09:11:02 AM »
Quote
Originally posted by Horn
He did in the original post.

One more time just for you:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4568982/

h


Thanks, don't see that anywhere in his original post though.

Nevermind, I see it at the end.
Here we put salt on Margaritas, not sidewalks.

Offline AKIron

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 13310
Clarke’s Characterizations
« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2004, 09:17:15 AM »
Now that I've read the article I'll just quote a comment in it from Rice that sums it for me.

“He was the counterterrorism czar for the entire period in which the al-Qaida plot was hatched and led to the Sept. 11 attacks,” said Rice, who said that while Clarke did put forth general proposals to fight terrorism, most of them “had already been tried and rejected in the Clinton administration.”
Here we put salt on Margaritas, not sidewalks.

Offline Frogm4n

  • Parolee
  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2371
Clarke’s Characterizations
« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2004, 09:21:16 AM »
Quote
Originally posted by AKIron
Here's an interesting article about your source:

http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/984206/posts


"While commanding NATO troops in defense of Muslim Kosovo and against Serbian Christians, for example, the hot-headed Clark commanded a subordinate British General to attack Russian troops that had landed without NATO permission at the airport in Kosovo’s capital. (Clark speaks fluent Russian but chose not even to talk with the Russian troops before attacking them.)

The British General Sir Mike Jackson reportedly refused Clark’s risky orders, saying: “I’m not going to start the Third World War for you!”"


Thats clark not clarke akiron. 2 different people.

Offline midnight Target

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 15114
Clarke’s Characterizations
« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2004, 09:30:11 AM »
Some of Clark's claims seem pretty damning. In the 60 minutes interview he told of the increased voice traffic that was intercepted over the summer prior to 9-11. And the lack of response by Bush to this traffic.

Then he said a similar spike in voice traffic occured in 1999. Clinton immediately called a "battle stations" cabinet level meeting, and an Al Queda operative was caught with explosives in his trunk crossing the border into Washington State. The intended target was LAX.


ALSO...

Quote
Secretary of State Colin Powell- is praised for urging focus on al-Qaida, not Iraq, immediately after Sept. 11. Clarke credits him for recognizing the al-Qaida threat early in 2001.


When is this guy gonna run for President?

Offline Lizking

  • Parolee
  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2502
Clarke’s Characterizations
« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2004, 09:58:11 AM »
He won't, because of this kind of poltical mudslinging.   He has stated that he would not put his family through it.  Damn shame, too, he is a good man.