"Reagan was right..."

[Boroda]

Originally posted by NUKE
I'd like to see the tests in which the Soviets were able to demonstate the ability to intercept an ICBM and/or warhead back then or at any time.

First successfull ICBM intercept was performed in USSR on March, 4th, 1961. Russian sources say that this result was repeated in the US only in 1984. But IIRC Funked gave me links that Americans did the same thing in early 60s.

Since late-60s ABM systems were tested in a Sary-Shagan SAM test ground, tested on massive ICBM launches from Kap. Yar. Real launches, real missiles, with all the fake targets, decoys and ECM jamming stations.

Originally posted by NUKE

Also, our ABM system is just what we told you people it was going to be.....a DEFENSE AGAINST ROUGE STATES like N. Korea in a limited attack. We have repeatedly told your government and the world that our system would be only to guard against the new reality of a limited attack coming from a rouge state.

Nobody thinks the ABM system is a shield that can stop hundreds of warheads at once.

Look, your theoretical intercept capability is only 55 warheads. No sane person will ever start a nuclear attack without being sure he has a chance to knock out your retaliation power. So, we can assume that the best anti-ICBM weapon is an ICBM, that you have plenty.

Originally posted by NUKE

You mentioned that your ABM system was in place to protect Moscow's 10 million people? If anything they probably deployed whatever ineffective system they thought they had to protect the Kremlin at...... best.

I have already said that the estimated Moscow ABM shield capability was 10 enemy warhead. I doubt that it is possible to make a better shield now, and American failures in this field are a good proof. If you have a protection against an accidental launch - it is reasonable to protect a 10-million city, because your missile positions will be a target for massive launch and the best way to save them in this case is to make them leave the silos... The problem is that someone (i will not point my finger) thinks that a few dozen ICBMs are more valuable then 10 million human lives.

Originally posted by NUKE

So far almost everything the Russians have put up against US equipment has proven to be an utter failure in combat....including tactics. Baghdad (edit) was said to be one of the most heavily defended cities in the world and equipped with the latest Russian equipment, training and advice. The US came in and made that defense look like joke.

"with the latest Russian equipment, training and advice"!?!? Please enlighten me on this subject. I didn't know that Iraqi had S-400 "Triumph" SAMs, Su-30 planes, Ka-50 tank killers and "Smerch" rocket launchers.

[Gixer]

"So far almost everything the Russians have put up against US equipment has proven to be an utter failure in combat....including tactics. Baghdad (edit) was said to be one of the most heavily defended cities in the world and equipped with the latest Russian equipment, training and advice. The US came in and made that defense look like joke"


Think that is totally incorrect. For one thing it dosn't matter what you give the Iraq's or any Middle East country their not exactly professional soilders. My dad fought Egyptions in the 50's with the British Army and thought they were the worst soilders he ever came across.

Iraq certinly didn't have the latest in Russian equipment. I think
China has almost completed a new SAM defence network via fibre optic across the country. I can't recall the exact term but I think it's referred to as Level 2 or something.

Some military Analyists have been quoted as saying that if it's true and when it's online makes any penetration by conventional aircraft close to impossible. Only Stealths have any chance.

I think if the US ever had to go up against China or even North Korea they'll find that Russian and Chinese equipment very effective indeed.

Wouldn't be suprised if Chinese military technology has caught up with western in another 20 years. And probably pass it as well. In some areas Russian/Chinese equipment is the best available.



...-Gixer

[Frogm4n]

You know boroda is right. Defeating the 1991 iraq in a war is close to beating up on mexico. Defeating a 2003 iraq was like fighting bolivia. Why else would we attack iraq over N. Korea that has WMDs in development. It would be a easy and fast war.