About Hartmann's G-6

[Kweassa]

Finally got some time to get back to skinning hobbies, and I've decided to put the B-17 "Memphis Belle" project on hold. I'm sorry to say the glaring wax coat applied to some of the planes, just makes the color look bad - real bad. It may be tolerable with a small P-51D, but ouch, with an aircraft the size of the B-17G..

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 So I've changed the focus to another project I was thinking next - refining the current G-6 default skin a bit so I can correct some mistakes, and take care of the "jagged" lines.

 I've spotted some problems with it and they are under fix, but I've noticed that the triangular fuel tab has a 96 octane C3 fuel marker - which seems erroneous.

 Should this fuel tab be corrected to the 86 octane B4 marker? I've seen a rather odd version of Hartmann's '43 G-6 with a "B7" tab, which seems a bit strange.

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 Also, if you guys notice any other errors in the G-6, please notify this so I can refine it and try submitting it to HTC for use as a new default skin.

[Batz]

Should this fuel tab be corrected to the 86 octane B4 marker? I've seen a rather odd version of Hartmann's '43 G-6 with a "B7" tab, which seems a bit strange.

Quick answer is no the G-6 didnt use C-3 fuel. It should be B-4. There was some speculation that the 109g6 is actually uses a G-14 skin. But that still wouldn't mean C-3. C-3 wasnt used by 109 units until '45. Even then C-3 wasnt widely available amoung all the 109 gruppes.

The following replies were posted by Butch from this thread

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=108817&highlight=Fuel

As of march 1945 only a handful of 109 gruppen were using C3 for their mounts, one of the few being the II/JG11 which were responsible for testing the 605DB/DC over january-march 1945.

According to a document dated late January 1945 coming from DB the 1.80 had just been cleared following serious troubles (pre-ignition) reported by the unit testing the 1.80 ata boost. It is also noted that following the clearance of the 1.8ata boost the 1.98ata operational tests could now begin but with concern about the sparkplugs thermal resistance IIRC.

C3 was not used by 109 units until the 1.98ata boost was cleared, they relied on B4+MW-50 so that C3 could go to the 190 units. And even after the clearance only few gruppen got it because of shortages due not only to C3 production but also to C3 delivery to the units.

Not exactly since in March 1945 only two units of the Luftflotte 6 both equipped with G-10 were using C3, one being IV/JG 4 the other being II/JG 11, and no K-4 units at all.

AFAIK 1.98ata boost was cleared late february but it seems to have been slowly introduced into service, i suspect the adjustments needed on the engine and the change of sparkplugs type (supply problems ???) took longer than expected. From other documents i know that C3 and B4 had severe quality problems beginning in late 1944. While it was not much of a problem with low boost, it had some serious effect on higher boost, so it might also have slowed down the introduction of 1.98ata boost. At least DB documents underlined the need for cleaner fuels than those in use at that time.

You can safely assume that by march 1945 1.98 ata boost was being introduced, unfortunately i do not have much details for April 1945, but i doubt it would have changed much, given the situation.

My book(s) will takle the 109 development, history and technical side.

So it would seem C-3 wasnt used in the 109s until they were cleared for 1.98. In March only 2 units equipped with G-10s used C-3 fuel.

[Batz]

Aslo the camo pattern itself is incorrect





http://users.hol.gr/%7Eerler/luftprof/jg52/jg52.html

Do you know of this site for line drawings?

http://www.jiop.fi/ksimuseo/faq_bf109evo.html

[Kweassa]

Thanks for the info Batz.

 

 This is the G-6 I'm hoping to do someday, when the black tulip mark issure is finally solved... looks frickin' cool!!



 Yellow 7" 9./JG 3 "Udet" Die Augen Staffel (Eye Squadron).

[Dr Zhivago]

1o9 stencil map
http://109lair.hobbyvista.com/articles/stenciling/7-home.htm
109 Drawing Site
http://www.kiwifood.co.nz/

[Kweassa]

Batz, by any chance do you have a camo pattern map like you've posted in the first pic, for the side views?


 I'm in midst of confusion, because, according to the camo map you've provided, the G-6 uses mainly RLM 74 and RLM 76 for the fuselages. RLM 74 is the dark shade of gray, and RLM 76 is a shade of pale grayish blue-green known as "Lichtblau". Our default G-6 uses those colors too.

 The problem is, most of the other sources I can find depicts the sides of Hartmann's G-6 as having a lighter shade of gray, which might be RLM 75 instead of RLM 76, or, a different version of the RLM 76.
 
 






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 So, I'm in need for more sources to determine the color of the G-6..

[Batz]

Day Fighters 1940-1944

The question of the introduction of an RLM approved camouflage scheme incorporating the new colours 74 Gray-Green, 75 Gray-Violet and 76 Light Blue (respectively : Graugrun , Grauviolett and Lichtblau ) remains enigmatic. The first Bf 109 F-2s photos show a low contrast camouflage consistent with 74 and 75 colours with a heavy overspray of one or both colours taken down the fuselage sides. By August 15, 1941 Messerschmitt had set forth the new scheme with colours 74/75/76 with fuselage mottle of 02/70/74.

http://users.hol.gr/~nowi/

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75


74


70


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That help?

[Batz]

At the buttom of this page there an il2 version of the skin by Snorri. You dl it and check his colors. To me from the SS it doesnt quite look right. I am work so I cant DL till later.


http://www.flugzeugwerk.net/dme109g6.htm

[Kweassa]

 I'd like opinions.

 The upper is mine, quite unfinished.. the under is the default. Please note the difference in color hues as mentioned in previous posts, and tell me which color hue you guys would prefer more.

[Pyro]

Just to note, we are planning to make changes to the G-6 to get rid of the tulip from the shape.  So whatever you do to it now will require some more work down the road.

[Batz]

Thank you pyro

[Batz]

Kweassa I  like the color of the 1st but the mottle is less defined then on the default.

[GRUNHERZ]

WTG Pyro!!

[Dux]

Thank you, Pyro.

[Wmaker]

Great news Pyro, thank you!