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« on: March 26, 2004, 10:32:00 PM »
On January 14, 2004, Sheikh Muhammad Kamal Mustafa, the imam of the mosque of the city of Fuengirola, Costa del Sol, was sentenced by a Barcelona court to a 15 month suspended sentence and fined € 2160 for publishing his book 'The Woman in Islam.' In this book, the Egyptian-born Sheikh Mustafa writes, among other things, on wife-beating in accordance with Shar'ia law.

On pages 86-87, Mustafa states: "The [wife-]beating must never be in exaggerated, blind anger, in order to avoid serious harm [to the woman]." He adds, "It is forbidden to beat her on the sensitive parts of her body, such as the face, breast, abdomen, and head. Instead, she should be beaten on the arms and legs," using a "rod that must not be stiff, but slim and lightweight so that no wounds, scars, or bruises are caused." Similarly, "[the blows] must not be hard." [1]

Mustafa noted in his book that the aim of the beating was to cause the woman to feel some emotional pain, without humiliating her or harming her physically. According to him, wife-beating must be the last resort to which the husband turns in punishing his wife, and is, according to the Qur'an, Chapter 4, Verse 34, the husband's third step when the wife is rebellious: First, he must reprimand her, without anger. Next, he must distance her from the conjugal bed. Only if these two methods fail should the husband turn to beating.

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Beat your wifes?! Strap your children to explosives and then send them to kill other children?! These people are not right!!!
 Draw your own conclusions!
Maybe the above is some of the reason Christianity and Islam will never be at peace...
OF course the European islamic bleeding hearts will have a snappy answer that somehow makes beating women ok, this will be interesting!
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« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2004, 11:38:46 PM »
Women have no souls, according to the Koran.

Islam is a backward, bloodthirsty, intolerant way of life. I don't care about all the the alleged good things that arise from their teachings. If the bad outweigh the good to such a degree, then the overall effect is negative.

'Good' muslims are exceptions to the rule. They are benevolent, understanding and tolerant. Being the exceptions, they should turn to a view of life where being 'good' doesn't put one into a minority among a vast population.

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« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2004, 12:00:58 AM »
"And if you fear that you cannot act equitably towards orphans, then marry such women as seem good to you, two and three and four; but if you fear that you will not do justice (between them), then (marry) only one or what your right hands possess; this is more proper...."
The Book of Women 4:3
English translation by M. H. Shakir

"Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance):... "
The Book of Women 4.34
Translated by A. Yusufali

"Divorce may be retracted twice. The divorced woman shall be allowed to live in the same home amicably, or leave it amicably. It is not lawful for the husband to take back anything he had given her.... "
The Book of the Heifer 2:229
Rashad Khalifa


If you read the words, and interpret what they say with any degree of intellectual enlightenment, you will see that women are viewed as nothing more than objects. Yes, they are allowed rights in their relations with men. 'Allowed' being the operative term. Men are not their equals but their dominators, while women are nothing more than farm animals.

I don't care how you view me, Scholz. If I'm a bigot its because my far smaller race is up against a far larger, more powerful one in a war of ideology. In my opinion, you're neither involved nor your word pertinent. You're just another tourist, allowing himself the luxury of dispensing wisdom at no cost to himself. Keep your moral highground. Keep your opinions, and for godsakes, keep your stupid little sub-continent. Niether you nor it have any bearing on the real world.

PS: Bigots are racists. I'm a critic of belief systems.
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« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2004, 12:04:31 AM »
I think all religions have a bad history of oppression towards women.


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« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2004, 04:31:38 AM »
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Originally posted by Capt. Pork

"Divorce may be retracted twice. The divorced woman shall be allowed to live in the same home amicably, or leave it amicably. It is not lawful for the husband to take back anything he had given her.... "
The Book of the Heifer 2:229
Rashad Khalifa


If you read the words, and interpret what they say with any degree of intellectual enlightenment, you will see that women are viewed as nothing more than objects. Yes, they are allowed rights in their relations with men. 'Allowed' being the operative term. Men are not their equals but their dominators, while women are nothing more than farm animals.


How does this quote corroborate your statement?

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« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2004, 05:03:11 AM »
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How does this quote corroborate your statement?

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It doesn't. :rolleyes:

And we all know where Capt Pork is coming from, right?

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« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2004, 05:17:56 AM »
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PS: Bigots are racists.


Bigot (noun)-
Extremist
Opinionated person
Intolerant
Fanatic
Male chauvinist pig
Racist
Sexist
Narrow-minded person

look it up, before you corect someone next time.  and for what it's worth, from the impression you give on the boards, you are a bigot.

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« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2004, 05:51:55 AM »
So in Spain you can be sentenced and fined for writing books that express unpopular values.

I did not know that.

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« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2004, 06:25:39 AM »
I wonder if Lazs is secretly a muslim, or a closet mullah. :D

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« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2004, 06:30:32 AM »
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So in Spain you can be sentenced and fined for writing books that express unpopular values.


maybe, I didn't see where they stated the exact charge.  I don't know much about spanish law (the last I studied on it had to do with the inquisition), but possibly his sentence had to do with publishing a "how-to book", with instructions on the propper way to commit a crime.

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« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2004, 07:16:53 AM »
When was the last time a woman was stoned to death in Israel for adultery?

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« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2004, 07:21:21 AM »
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I wonder if Lazs is secretly a muslim, or a closet mullah. :D


Well American constitutionalists still cling to their right to regard their wives and children as possesions. But it's mostly for tax purposes nowadays.

Sounds like he was publishing a book about the proper way to administer corporeal punishment. I'm just surprised that it is punishable by law in a european country.

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« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2004, 07:29:58 AM »
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Well American constitutionalists still cling to their right to regard their wives and children as possesions. But it's mostly for tax purposes nowadays.

 


:rofl :rofl :rofl  You crack me up Suave. :aok

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« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2004, 07:31:42 AM »
Jordan may be the most civilized, but it still has a little way to go.  
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In fact, as author Norma Khouri explains, honor killings — which derive from laws codified in 1200 B.C. — remain an accepted part of Middle Eastern life. Article 340 of Jordan's penal code allows killers to be prosecuted for "crimes of honor" (punishable by three to twelve months' imprisonment) rather than murder (punishable by death). The "honor killing" defense is permitted if the woman killed has been surprised in an act of adultery, or in a "situation" of adultery. Merely to be seen with a male stranger qualifies as a situation of adultery.

Khouri knows these laws well. In 1996, a girl named Dalia — with whom she had been friends for 22 years, since the girls first met at the age of three — was killed by her father for having been seen in public with a man. The dead girl was buried in an unmarked grave, and her killer ultimately served no prison time. "I want the world to know Dalia the way I knew her," Khouri recently told the New York Times. "I want them to know that she represents thousands of women who are still dying."
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« Reply #14 on: March 27, 2004, 07:43:45 AM »
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:rofl :rofl :rofl  You crack me up Suave. :aok


It wasn't a joke, I meant it literally. I grew up around them. They'll do just about anything to get out of paying taxes, but they have no qualms about enjoying the fruits of others' tax dollars.