Author Topic: HTC we need some more "BIG" 4 engine monsters....how about and "Emily"?  (Read 2160 times)

Offline Beefcake

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need....more...buffs....
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and please forgive my crappy grammer, I have a public education  
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The CM's sent a "request" list to HTC several weeks ago. That was one on the list. Does that mean we will get it? Nope, but one can always hope.  
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err..whats an Emily??  Sumbody post a link puleez.

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Ah, it took me a few reads, but I figured out hblair's post!  I used my EBONICS decoder  



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That ain't ebonics LePaul, it's Hillbonics.  

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THat's no ebonics, I know ebonics.

If you can type it, it ain't ebonics. Ebonics can only be spoken, cuz the people that speak ebonics can't turn on no computers.
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HTC we need some more "BIG" 4 engine monsters....how about and "Emily"?
« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2001, 05:39:00 PM »
Beefcake if anyone else had requested more bombers i would have assumed it was just greed like my wanting more lw stuff   but as its you 'THE MR BUFF'   i can only say...

Give General Beefcake his planes!  

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Offline Karnak

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HTC we need some more "BIG" 4 engine monsters....how about and "Emily"?
« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2001, 08:08:00 PM »
SwampRat,

Here you go:

H8K "Emily" Data

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Offline Kweassa

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HTC we need some more "BIG" 4 engine monsters....how about and "Emily"?
« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2001, 08:13:00 PM »
 
 Why'd we need more 4-engine buffs when no-one flies them as intended?

 Large-scale strato-bombing is completely useless.. All the worth bombing has is only dropping two types of buildings here in MA.. the main element of air-battle in MA consists of low-mid alt 'quaky' furballs..

 How long would mere Ki-21 Sallys or H8K Emilys last in this sort of environment(not clear on armament of Kawanishi H8K Emily but.. a JP bomber like Sally? One 7.7mm gun forward and one 12.7mm guns aft/top?)?

 I remember last time someone put up a wonderful large scale base strike mission. It consisted of 4 LA-7s and 8 IL-2s.. 12 people coordinated for good attack and guess what, it lasted 2 minutes, The moment we get to the base like zillion red dots pop up.

 Why'd we ever expect someone has the courage, determination, and patience long enough to put up a nice bomber wing of 3~4 planes to 28k alt when hoardes of base circling jabo guys would do the same thing needed automatically/voluntarily, without having to beg someone to fly a buff wing with 'im? After all, as some people claim, the jaboing/hoarding/furballing is always so much more 'fun' than having 'realistic' level bombing strikes on targets.

 After all, there is no real 'need' for buffs in the MA.. no matter how well you slip a critical attack through the monstrous 'red bar', it's worth sh** if nobody in your country ever wants to make good use of it. Why'd they bother to make use of it when furballing around in some obsolete, single field is always more 'fun'?

 I've seen dedicated buff pilots leave and deteriorite - even in the short time I ever played in the MA(!). The rooks lost Degas to WW2ol(hope he comes back..). Now only few people who grasp the concept of air combat as something more than 'furballing' climb into those cumbersome 4-engined fatsos, wait patiently 30 minutes, drop a few eggs and get intercepted by hot-shot buffkillers who knew a strike was coming the minute buffs start rolling.

 In this kinda environment, adding a new 4-engine plane is a complete waste of kilobytes. A plane that no one flies. It's just there because AH has to be some kind of encyclopedic 'collection'(like maybe a stamp collection..) of WW2 engines of war, that'd satisfy some people's needs of fiddling through plane lists and saying to themselves "oh look, we even got a xxxx! cool!"

 Don't get me wrong. I'd love to see more mid/large size planes for JP and all other kinds of countries(I'd love to see the B-24J Liberator!). But having them in the list, and never getting the chance to fly them usefully is not my idea of fun.
 
 I suggest HTC develops more reason and need worth putting up a buff up the sky. Maybe more cities or villages or factories that supply different fields(instead of that collective complex known as 'HQ area') scattered throughout the map would help.. or maybe supply lines of roads and bridges, railroads which truck convoys or maybe trains supply material and fuel from those scattered strategical targets to individual fields.

 Hitting VHs and FHs are nice. But dragging a heavy buff-butt to 'furball' areas capped by zillion enemies is all the 'strategy' we have currently. And after the bombing, one gets flamed by even their own countrymen - "Hey? what wuss dropped the FH? lamer!"

 Spread out the targets. Give something we need to kill that lies away from the furball area, which would effect enemy performance dramatically as much as taking down a FH or a VH. Then, only then we'd really want to see more buffs - in numbers and in variousity. Other than that, adding more buffs is, as I said above, is just 'stamp collecting'.

 MA might need some changes more 'strategical' than just putting up a historical arena or disabling the radar. There is a way we could dramatically increase the immersion without putting up a HA or killing the radar.

 If MA becomes more strategical, the numbers and planes would spread out naturally. Who'd want to furball around a single field when the consequences of losing roads and bridges, villages and factories would result to losing airpower over ALL the fields in the covering range of the 'strategical target' - no fuel, no ammo, no aircraft respawning, no troops etc etc..

 Well, that's only my idea on 'adding more buffs' and 'changes needed for immersion'. Just give it a thought.

 

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HTC we need some more "BIG" 4 engine monsters....how about and "Emily"?
« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2001, 09:32:00 PM »
Kweassa,

If you look at the page I linked to above you will note that the H8K2 "Emily" is armed with 5 20mm Type 99 MkI cannon and 3 7.92 machine guns and all crew positions are armored.

What I would like to see is factories in cities that are each responsible for the production of a particular unit.  At each reset the unit each factory was responsible for would be randomly assigned to prevent people from know which factory produced what.  The factories should be hard targets, say 10,000-15,000lbs of bombs to destroy and a base rebuild time of 30-60 minutes.  Coupled with this should be the ability to drop all bombs at once, something that B-17s and Lancs certaily did in WWII (the only bomber that I am aware of that dropped bombs 1 at a time was the He111).  When one of these factories is destroyed, then the unit it was responsible for can no longer be launched by that country.

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HTC we need some more "BIG" 4 engine monsters....how about and "Emily"?
« Reply #14 on: May 31, 2001, 11:55:00 PM »
Emily Emily Emily...

Who is she?

 

A Big Mutha Long Range Maritime Reconnaissance Flying Boat

A plane designed to range the open seas for many hours(H8K flew up to 24! hour missions) at a time, searching for enemy shipping to attack.

Does AH have ANY use for such a plane?

NO.

Why waste resources(like Kweassa said) on adding it to AH(at this point in time)?

The "stamp collector" in me says it would be a cool plane though.  

[This message has been edited by juzz (edited 06-01-2001).]