Me 262 Fm...

[Cobra412]

Now this could be here or in the Aircraft forum but I figured I'd ask here first.  Does the ME 262 have the ability to complete a hammerhead without an engine stall?

I only ask this due to the fact even in todays day and age very few would be able to complete a maneuver such as this but in AH the 262 can.

With out a variable intake system or electronic engine controlled system that would help in keeping the engines from stalling this seems pretty far fetched.  The ME 262 has the ability in AH to do a hammerhead without an engine stall.  Even in real life the F-15s with PW F100 engines can barely due this with out a stall/stagnation of the engine.  

So if someone could help me out in understanding how one of the first jet engine aircraft to be designed can do this without suffering from an engine stall it'd be great.  These aircraft would have to suffer greatly from hard maneuvering (displacement of airflow across the nose during banks)and stall conditions.  It just seems the 262 in AH has many pros and not one of  the major cons that it should have.

[Shiva]

There's a whole pile of realism that has been abstracted out of AH. For example, I was flying a quick-built mission in IL-2 FB AEP, taking a Go-229 against a group of three B-17s, and after shooting them down flew back to the nearest field. As I was closing on the field, I chopped the throttles... and both engines caught fire. Try this in AH with a 262, and all that will happen is the engines will spool down.

[Karnak]

AH forces you to slowly change the throttle settings on the 262.  The way it does this is by having a slow reaction regardless of how you bang the throttle around.

[Shiva]

Originally posted by Karnak
AH forces you to slowly change the throttle settings on the 262.  The way it does this is by having a slow reaction regardless of how you bang the throttle around.

That's my point; AH abstracts a lot of the things that could break your bird and handles them for you; about the only two things left you can do to hose yourself are to dive too fast and try to pull out, or leave your gear down too long while accelerating.

[simshell]

i dont want to worry about my ENG's blowing up from just turning them down

this is not flight simlator 2002

[flakbait]

I have to agree with simshell. To model just how touchy the Jumo-004B engines were would practically take the 262 out of the game. In RL they were finickey, touchy, slow to respond, and had a life of 40 running hours. If you pitched up just a hair too fast, you'd get a compressor stall. Change the throttle too fast and the engine could go up like a grenade. Plus excess fuel regularly pooled in the bottom of the engine nacell, which ignited when you lit off the engine. While I would like piston engines modeled a bit more accurately (mixture included) modeling the 004B accurately would mean only VERY serious pilots could drive it. You'd have to take your time and actually learn how to drive the 262 without ruining engines. Even then, you'd go through at least two aircraft before you got it down.

You still have to anticipate throttle changes, you still have to be careful with it on landing, and fighting in it makes you think. Unlike an F4F you have to actually pre-plan your moves to make a kill. If the bandit breaks right he'll blow your entire pass. To boot, he'll have plenty of time to head for cover while you need half the map to turn. Aside from high-alt bomber intercepts it is not a very useful aircraft in a fight. The only time I go near it is when I feel like sucking squirrels into the engines on an NOE run. Flown wisely you can make several kills in it, but for the most part the 262 isn't very useful.



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