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« Reply #30 on: March 29, 2004, 11:22:01 AM »
children are not the same as they can't make decisions for themselves but... great little socialist arguement there....

Any loss of freedom is justified eh?   let's turn it around.... swimming endangers lifeguards... hiking and rock climbing endager rescue workers.    How much you willing to give up mommas boy?   where do you draw the line?

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« Reply #31 on: March 29, 2004, 11:25:24 AM »
looks like it's just a matter of time before this happens everywhere


if there ever comes a time when the non-smokers outnumber the smokers.. smoking will become something to do hidden away in private, something to be embarassed of...

oh wait.. we're already there in some parts of the country.


I can see it now..
a smoking section and non-smoking section in America...
maybe by state  :eek:


Oklahoma:

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« Reply #32 on: March 29, 2004, 11:29:28 AM »
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children are not the same as they can't make decisions for themselves but... great little socialist arguement there....

Any loss of freedom is justified eh?   let's turn it around.... swimming endangers lifeguards... hiking and rock climbing endager rescue workers.    How much you willing to give up mommas boy?   where do you draw the line?

lazs


Well your right lazs, the arguement against allowing smokeing in a private buisness is kinda silly.

You must be a very afraid of your own sexulaity laz. Always scared of women in power and not being seen i a large truck or car.

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« Reply #33 on: March 29, 2004, 11:35:20 AM »
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looks like it's just a matter of time before this happens everywhere
Interesting timing! As of midnight last night, smoking has been banned in all public places in Ireland. The focus of the ban is places where people are working. So, in theory, company car drivers are not allowed to smoke behind the wheel because they are in their place of work. You can still smoke in your own home in Ireland but not, apparently, if you have the plumber or electrician round because then you would be smoking in their workplace.

This must be the first smoking ban that's affected an entire country.

Full story in today's Daily Telegraph

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« Reply #34 on: March 29, 2004, 11:35:47 AM »
I hate cigarette smoke but I love freedom. Have to go with private ownerships should have the right to allow smoking. Of course I reserve the right to fart in your general direction. ;)
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« Reply #35 on: March 29, 2004, 11:38:13 AM »
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Exactly.  Your money.  And mine.  As such, a consensus on the safe limits of use is fine by me.  

But if I were free to not use the highways, and also not pay for them, then I would have no say in how they should be run.  You are free to stay out of private smoking establishents, so by the same logic you should have only as much say in their operation as the private owner allows.



Except that bars and restaurants aren't private clubs, they're open to the public and, thus, subject to regulation. A private club is like the VFW, and smoking is allowed in those.

How do you feel about health inspections in restaurants? You must be opposed, right?

I gotta run, but I'll address this later. It's a good discussion. Civil, even, for the most part. :)

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« Reply #36 on: March 29, 2004, 11:50:51 AM »
Hurray for socialism!

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« Reply #37 on: March 29, 2004, 11:52:02 AM »
froggie... I don't know that I am afraid of my sexuiality or not  but I do know that letting women run your life is gonna make for some crappy living most of the time..  I know you don't belive this but women are different than men.... when you finaly get one undressed you will probly notice but...

it doesn't end there!   They even (gasp!) think differently than us... they have different ideas about what we should be doing than we do.

one of my cars weighs 2100 lbs and has a 90 inch wheelbase.   The other has a truck bed.   Are you saying that anyone who thinks they need the utility of a truck is afraid of their sexuality?   Allways interested in the opinions of teenagers like yourself when it comes to life or sex....  kids do say the darndest things...

airhead..  I would require that any establishment that allowed smoking have a large sign on every entrance that declared that it was a smoking establisment and that any who entered would be subject to the smokings effects .

I hate the stench of ciggs... I probly wouldn't go in.

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« Reply #38 on: March 29, 2004, 11:58:08 AM »
Froggy drives a Prius Lazs.  He's pretty much drunk the nannystate Kool-Aid.

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« Reply #39 on: March 29, 2004, 12:12:32 PM »
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Except that bars and restaurants aren't private clubs, they're open to the public and, thus, subject to regulation. A private club is like the VFW, and smoking is allowed in those.

How do you feel about health inspections in restaurants? You must be opposed, right?

I gotta run, but I'll address this later. It's a good discussion. Civil, even, for the most part. :)


Bars and restaurants are not private clubs, but they are private.  If you make a legal distinction between the two, what's to stop a bar owner from declaring his bar a private club and then offering free memberships on the spot, which he can revoke at any time?

Bars are private.  The owner can ask you to leave at any time, and you are free to not go there.  As such, the government has no business regulating it.  

As for health inspections, it's a mixed bag.  If restaurants all disclosed their food preparation practices health inspections would not be necessary.  It's dishonesty in preparation that could be regulated, not the preparation itself.   If a restaurant drops your food on the floor and serves it to you anyhow, without telling you, they've done something wrong.  But if they post a sign saying "all food may have been dropped on the floor," you as an intelligent adult can make an informed decision as to whether or not you want to eat there, no inspection or government nannying necessary beyond ensuring that the restaurant is not misleading you.

Gotta go as well.  We'll continue this civil discussion later, commie poopyhead.  ;)
« Last Edit: March 29, 2004, 12:24:53 PM by Tarmac »

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« Reply #40 on: March 29, 2004, 12:24:40 PM »
I do not smoke, but smoke does not bother me.

I think this should be up to the owners.  If you do not like it go work for the guy who runs a non smoking place, or go to the non smoking place.

There is room in the market for both.

All this anti smoking bull**** is just that, is you are so concerned about your health that you worrie about second hand smoke I feel sorry for ya.


My only problem with smokers are the ones who litter instead of tossing the butts in the garbage or ashtrays.

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« Reply #41 on: March 29, 2004, 12:36:59 PM »
They should just enact it. Smoking indoors annoys me also and Im a smoker myself. I would rather run outside for a smoke than smoke inside the building. Second hand smoking is harm full and its annoying as heck for them.
« Last Edit: March 29, 2004, 12:39:31 PM by newtype »

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« Reply #42 on: March 29, 2004, 12:41:22 PM »
yeah.. but then everyone has to walk through a cloud of smoke to enter a building...  they always put the smokers at the entrances.. cracks me up.

Then there's the guy on the ski-lift ahead of you that smokes....
all outdoors and non-invasive right?

I say just let us non-smokers have open-season on smokers :)
Problem will even itself out   heh

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« Reply #43 on: March 29, 2004, 12:52:55 PM »
I like the BigSign idea.. post it at the entrances and let each individual decide whether or not they want to go in.

I usually don't need a sign but I guess some do...
all I have to do is take a breath and I know whether or not I want to eat/drink there.

ok, maybe it's the ciggie-stained glass on the vehicles parked around the bar that's a dead giveaway...

or the lung-busting coughing I hear as I approach...

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« Reply #44 on: March 29, 2004, 12:53:49 PM »
Ahhh the land of the free...

LOL

Let 'em have guns...but ban them from smoking.

ROFLMAO

Funny stuff.
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