Author Topic: No Guiness for Lazs :) (Read 1658 times)

lazs2 · « **Reply #60 on:** March 29, 2004, 01:56:08 PM »

exactly tarmac... signs on the door would inform you if the establishment allowed smoking or not... They are being honest with you... health inspections are to catch the dishonest. The cig "menace" is black and white... either there is cig smoke in the place or not. Your choice is simple and clear cut... go in or not... work there or not.

lazs

Dago · « **Reply #61 on:** March 29, 2004, 02:00:01 PM »

Smoking kills well over 1000 people in the US every day.

Guns dont kill anywhere near that much.

Nobody is banning smoking anyway, just some areas are banning smoking in places where people have to work. Most of those same places ban guns in those places too. Not a big differance Curval.

I hope you are getting a clearer picture of the discussion as we have tried to point out.

BTW, in the USA currently less than 30% of the population smokes.

dago

gofaster · « **Reply #62 on:** March 29, 2004, 02:00:43 PM »

Smoking in bars is an infringement of my liberty. By golly if I want to eat hot wings and watch a Gators game without the smell of Pall Malls from the guy in the booth behind me, then I should be free to do so!

gofaster · « **Reply #63 on:** March 29, 2004, 02:02:15 PM »

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Originally posted by Tarmac
Bars and restaurants are not private clubs, but they are private. If you make a legal distinction between the two, what's to stop a bar owner from declaring his bar a private club and then offering free memberships on the spot, which he can revoke at any time?

Cigar bars don't prohibit smoking. You can go there and light up all you want.

AKIron · « **Reply #64 on:** March 29, 2004, 02:03:22 PM »

What I really wanna know, do those bubbles go up or down?

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/fea/texasliving/stories/032904dnlivmonrail.7bba.html

Bubbling brew
05:44 PM CST on Sunday, March 28, 2004

Guinness is good for you – especially if you're a bored scientist looking for publicity.

In 1999, Australian researchers claimed that beer bubbles sometimes counterintuitively bubbled down rather than up.

Putting several liters of Guinness to the test, chemists in California and Scotland have now proved with high-speed video that bubbles rise more quickly in the center of a pint, then spill down along the side.

Munkii · « **Reply #65 on:** March 29, 2004, 02:03:57 PM »

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Originally posted by streakeagle
But one thing I have never even seen considered:
If smoking is banned because of its effects on others, what about everything else that smokes: cars, powerplants, etc. Should people who don't own cars be forced to breath filthy car exhaust? Should people who use gasoline powered cars have to suffer diesel fumes? Pollution from cars and factories is every bit as bad if no worse than cigarette smoke, but I don't see the government banning them.

When was the last time you sat next to a Peterbilt at Pizza Hut? People smoke outside, just like the cars.

On a lighter note, I think that smoking bans are stupid, and I'm a non-smoker. If I have a problem with the smell, I'll leave. If there were no non-smoking establishments in the area, I'd open one up and make a fortune. Or if that went under I'd sell cigarettes.

Curval · « **Reply #66 on:** March 29, 2004, 02:04:48 PM »

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Originally posted by Dago
Smoking kills well over 1000 people in the US every day.

Guns dont kill anywhere near that much.

Nobody is banning smoking anyway, just some areas are banning smoking in places where people have to work. Most of those same places ban guns in those places too. Not a big differance Curval.

I hope you are getting a clearer picture of the discussion as we have tried to point out.

BTW, in the USA currently less than 30% of the population smokes.

dago

Yea Dago..this clears everything right up, thanks. Especially the part where you say no-one is banning smoking and then you proceed to say just exactly "where" they are banning it.

tapakeg · « **Reply #67 on:** March 29, 2004, 02:10:37 PM »

It's funny to watch old movies and see people smoking EVERYWHERE. Could you imagine sitting on an airplane or in a movie theater and having someone light up a cigarette today? It is just the changing of the times. Someday we will look back on today's society with wonder and just say " wow, remember when we could smoke in BARS? that's CRAZY !!"

Wlfgng · « **Reply #68 on:** March 29, 2004, 02:14:23 PM »

some of what you refer to is avoidable, some isn't.

To me it makes sense to avoid the ones you can. I.E. second hand smoke.

as I stated though, I dislike bans. I prefer to be aware of what's going on where and to be able to make a choice as to whether or not to expose myself to certain things. Knowledge of a given situation is more important to me than banning things.
I opt for knowing if a place allows smoking or not.

I personally find cig smoke offensive and avoid being exposed to it. I do the same with smog.. hence my move to the high mountains. some would say I do the same with certain types of people.. lol again, my move hah

Just because big businesses, factories, the oil industry and it's cars, etc etc get away with polluting and offending doesn't mean that it's acceptable. It also doesn't mean that it's ok to force people to breath second-hand smoke if they don't want to.

The 'freedom' to smoke, or do anything for that matter, stops where it takes someone else's freedom away. re-worded, that's the basic idea .

Tarmac · « **Reply #69 on:** March 29, 2004, 02:15:39 PM »

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Originally posted by gofaster
Cigar bars don't prohibit smoking. You can go there and light up all you want.

So why not let the owner of a sports bar decide if he wants to let you smoke in his bar? Or does he have to declare it a "cigar bar" first?

Curval · « **Reply #70 on:** March 29, 2004, 02:20:26 PM »

Thank you Comrade Wlfgng.

Tarmac · « **Reply #71 on:** March 29, 2004, 02:21:51 PM »

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Originally posted by Wlfgng
The 'freedom' to smoke, or do anything for that matter, stops where it takes someone else's freedom away.

So when a government legislates to take away a bar owner's freedom to allow or not allow smoking in his privately owned establishment, that's be wrong, right?

Habu · « **Reply #72 on:** March 29, 2004, 02:24:17 PM »

They can still smoke in the bars in Ireland.

They just cannot smoke tobacco products.

So feel free to light up herbal cigs. Also if you have 3 people at a table smoking herbal cigs and someone fires up a tobacco cig that looks the same how will they know.

They should make a tobacco cig that has 1 inch of tobacco then the rest herbal to really screw up the enforcement of this ban.

Dago · « **Reply #73 on:** March 29, 2004, 02:30:09 PM »

Ahh, still a comprehension issue for you Curval.

Smoking isn't being banned in the USA, not the act, not the sale of tobacco, not the right of those who choose to damage their health and smell bad.

The "banning" that is happening is location banning, and for better or worse, our government, acting on our behalf is protecting non-smokers from the injurious effects of smoking.

It is not differant than places where food is served not allowing entrance to persons not wearing shoes. That goes to hygenic protection, this issue also relates to health.

Didn't you have a young baby recently? Do you smoke in your babys room? Do you or do you allow anyone to blow smoke in the babies face?

If you answer no, should I call you a smoke nazi??

Well, we choose to try and protect ourselves from that health threat, and the utter distaste many have for the smell and trash resulting from smoking.

Now, you can choose to act like an arguementative word game playing fool, or you can uncork your head from your lower regions and stop trying to think of silly contexts to argue a stupid arguement.

dago

Curval · « **Reply #74 on:** March 29, 2004, 02:44:58 PM »

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Originally posted by Dago
Ahh, still a comprehension issue for you Curval.

No...you just need to be a bit more clear when you write.

Smoking isn't being banned in the USA, not the act, not the sale of tobacco, not the right of those who choose to damage their health and smell bad.

Correct...it is being banned in bars and restaurants one state at a time, in the USA.

The "banning" that is happening is location banning, and for better or worse, our government, acting on our behalf is protecting non-smokers from the injurious effects of smoking.

Lazs might call that a nanny law...but you will need to check that with him.

It is not differant than places where food is served not allowing entrance to persons not wearing shoes. That goes to hygenic protection, this issue also relates to health.

Allow me....Nanny law.

Didn't you have a young baby recently? Do you smoke in your babys room? Do you or do you allow anyone to blow smoke in the babies face?

I don't charge ridiculous prices for the priviledge of drinking and/or eating in my house. If I did, I'd have no right to stop you from smoking. When I smoke in a restaurant I do not purposly blow smoke in peoples faces and I wouldn't expect them to blow it in my baby's face....assuming I did charge ridiculous prices for the priviledge of smoking in my house. Which I don't, so the point is moot.

If you answer no, should I call you a smoke nazi??

I'm told that in America you have freedom of speech...call me what you like.

Well, we choose to try and protect ourselves from that health threat, and the utter distaste many have for the smell and trash resulting from smoking.

Who is "we"? You still have a few million smokers over there...are you speaking for them too?

Now, you can choose to act like an arguementative word game playing fool, or you can uncork your head from your lower regions and stop trying to think of silly contexts to argue a stupid arguement.

Now now...just because you write badly doen't mean you need to start throwing personal attacks about the place.

Light up....errr I mean, lighten up.