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« Reply #30 on: March 29, 2004, 03:52:39 PM »
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I don't give a **** if a Pot head shoves his finger up his butt and spins for days.


The moment he steps outside into the real world, his actions affect those around him.  If his judgement is impaired, he will do stupid stuff.  This is why drugs should be illegal.



Do you include alcohol, nicotine, and caffeine?
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« Reply #31 on: March 29, 2004, 04:02:20 PM »
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
I don't give a **** if a Pot head shoves his finger up his butt and spins for days.


The moment he steps outside into the real world, his actions affect those around him.  If his judgement is impaired, he will do stupid stuff.  This is why drugs should be illegal.


Everything brought up here is also true in the case of alcohol, why would applying the same laws, restructions and regulations to soft drugs not suffice to cover the aforementioned?

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« Reply #32 on: March 29, 2004, 04:09:20 PM »
Er...cuz Dupont never got a patent for assohole, the gateway drug to everything.:rolleyes:

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« Reply #33 on: March 29, 2004, 04:10:56 PM »
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Using a lot of electricity and having a dog alert on you is not the same thing.


Correct, but both things happened in this case.

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« Reply #34 on: March 29, 2004, 04:14:19 PM »
I guess this may be the ONE reason I side with the lefties on this....I think the war on drugs is alot of money waisted.  

"We dont need less drugs but more drugs...but just to the right people"  Denis leary, No cure for cancer

I think that's natural selection at its best at least till some crack head breaks into my house to steal somthing so he can get his fix....but then again we still have the right to bear arms (much to the librals dismay)  so taking him out would still be good

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« Reply #35 on: March 29, 2004, 04:58:36 PM »
Too bad the drug-producing countries don't also have large reserves of oil, otherwise this "war on drugs" would be over in a couple weeks. As it is, our government would rather continue to assail our individual freedoms and waste billions in non-productive actions.

Illegal drugs are as much a threat to our country as any terrorist organization when the loss of lives, productivity, and cost of rehabilitation/incarceration are considered.

Of course, this is all imho and not backed up by any cool links to various studies and graphs, etc.

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« Reply #36 on: March 29, 2004, 05:09:23 PM »
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
I don't give a **** if a Pot head shoves his finger up his butt and spins for days.


The moment he steps outside into the real world, his actions affect those around him.  If his judgement is impaired, he will do stupid stuff.  This is why drugs should be illegal.


Do you have any idea what you just said? SO i guess your all for reinstateing prohibition as well?

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« Reply #37 on: March 29, 2004, 05:21:21 PM »
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 If his judgement is impaired, he will do stupid stuff.  This is why drugs should be illegal.


Hear, hear! Lock up everybody who leaves their house and does something stupid that impacts me. :rolleyes:

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« Reply #38 on: March 29, 2004, 05:23:43 PM »
The reason Drug dealers, and king pins etc. have so much money is because the drugs they make and sell are ILLEGAL. It cost money to get them in, and so they sell them at such high price, which gives them that much more money to influence whom they need to get their drugs in. We give them the power. Instead of eliminating the barriers and educating your children on drugs. We allow the government to put a big label on drugs saying "You're an idiot and don't know whats good for you, So you can't have this. Its Illegal!" Even though everyone knows someone who does some form of drug, its prevelant, and its here even if you'd like to believe it or not. I've had the chance to do all sorts of drugs, but I made a choice not to take them.

Take the money used for the "war on drugs" and put it into clinics that offer help medical or therapy to those who need it. Help them make a WILLING choice to not take drugs.

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« Reply #39 on: March 29, 2004, 05:24:40 PM »
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Illegal drugs are as much a threat to our country as any terrorist organization when the loss of lives, productivity, and cost of rehabilitation/incarceration are considered.


in the case of marijuana all of those problems are caused by the fact that they are legal, and the gov'ts attempts to controle peoples behaviour, not the drugs themselves.

as for the other drugs. left to themselves it's a self-solving problem.  there are only really 2 types of people who do drugs.

the ocasional recreational drug user,(the biggest percentage of users btw) who keeps himself under control, doesn't go to work high or miss work.  much like your casual drinker who has a few beers on friday night, but sobers up to fulfill his responsabilities, this guy is no harm to anyone.  sober society didn't even really know this guy existed before the piss-test.  we shouldn't be interfering in this guys life, we have more important issues to deal with.

the other type is your classic adict-  if employed(and usually not for long) the guy misses work constantly.  will sell everything he owns and steal everything you own for his next fix.  we spend billions aresting, sobering, taking to court, incarcerating, and rehabilitating these people.  the re-hab/court/legal system is one of the few growth indutries around, and it doesn't work.  even the experts in the system tell you the average person who goes through rehab will use again.  mostly because they didn't choose to go and change their life but where forced in by the legal system.

the obvious solution for this group is legalisation.  if legal we could aply a 100% tax on your harder drugs (herroin, meth, coke, crack) and still the price would be about 1/20th of what it is now.  that means the junky living under the bridge by your house will only have to steal 1 car stereo for every 20 he takes now, to maintain his habit.

  of course thats not likely how it will work.  more likely he will still steal just about as much as he does now and just increase his habit.  with nobody to force him to stop, or throw him in jail while he cleans up.  his usage rate should climb rather quickly until he OD's.  a good solid OD with unlimitted suply has about 0% repeat offenders.  you can have a decent funeral for about the price of 3 days worth of rehab and you'll never have to bury that guy again(how many times will you have to re-rehab him?).

now what to do with the increased revinue from the 100% tax on drugs?  you could use that for HONEST drug education in schools, and free rehab for anyone who volontarily puts themselves in (it seems reasonable to me to make the drugs pay for cleaning up the problem).

the other proffits (the money saved from ending this losing fight of the drug war) would go to the rest of us.  maybe even shore up the funding to social security or a national healthplan.
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« Reply #40 on: March 30, 2004, 12:33:22 AM »
Is it really worthwile to raid indoor growers? I'm sure all the major grow ops happen outside over there. Is it  better that the potheads get their dope from organized crime than grow it themselves?

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« Reply #41 on: March 30, 2004, 02:09:39 AM »
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
The moment he steps outside into the real world, his actions affect those around him.  If his judgement is impaired, he will do stupid stuff.  This is why drugs should be illegal.


You are making an argument for prohibition. How many people drive home every weekend from a nightclub DUI? Shoot, some clubs even have valet parking.

I would like to know who told the police that they were growing pot in there, doesn't the family have a legal case against that person? They put the trash out just before the trash truck came? Ahh, isn't that what everyone does? Nothing like having animals tear your trash apart in front of your house. A police dog was alerted to the house? Did the dog get a phone call? I mean, how close was the dog to the house, and does alerted mean, looked at?

Legalize pot? C'mon, that's kinda crazy, imo. Why give kids another bad habit to form? Look, if you want to grow a plant in your home and smoke it, that's your business. But why legalize? I do not think it is a good idea. I realize that with all the drugs that are out there, that pot is probably the least harmful, but you cannot convince me legalizing is the way to go. I was a teenager in the "70's", and smoking pot was the cool thing to do, everyone did it and if you didn't you were not cool. Say no to drugs was never heard, I don't want to see times change again and have pot smoking be the cool thing to do again.

The war on drugs
Along came the 80's and "say no to drugs" became the mainstream(thank god). But the war on drugs did not go quite the way they planned. The price of pot skyrocketed while the price of cocaine dropped like a lead balloon. The cheap bag of pot in the 70's was replaced by the cheap rock of crack in the 80's. Along came the 90's and extasy was added to the many drugs available. Now oxycontin is being robbed from pharmacies. Yet we target a house because they have a high electric bill and might be growing pot in THEIR HOME.

Maybe it isn't the war on drugs itself, maybe it's just where it's being waged. In downtown Boston there is a nightclub that sells 5 dollar bottles of water. Why water? Because extasy and oxycontin are the rage and they don't drink alcohol with extasy(it diminishes the high), so they drink water all night, and pay for it(you are not allowed to bring in your own water). Now everyone in the place is doing and passing drugs(some passing out in their seats), and the club is catering to it, yet this place of business is not targeted. Yet a suburban house is targeted for pot? Seems to me they are barking up the wrong tree.

Through all my years i've seen or read about overdoses of crack, angel dust(3 people on a school bus going to my highschool), cocaine, heroin, oxycontin and others, but I have never heard of a pot overdose. And while I don't believe in legalizing pot, I do not believe it should be priority one.
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« Reply #42 on: March 30, 2004, 02:34:20 AM »
So, big electricity bill is probable cause? Or is it the dog that shows interest in your house? Or both of them combined? What kind of paper trace is left behind from dogs response and anonymous call? None. And i bet both of these are just BS excuses told to press how they did not solely act upon the big bellybutton electricity bill, which i think they did. Especially the anonymous call, funny how those callers just happen when police conduct this kind of big bust events.

War on drugs is just as clever as war on alcohol was and would be.

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« Reply #43 on: March 30, 2004, 05:52:27 AM »
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
I don't give a **** if a Pot head shoves his finger up his butt and spins for days.


The moment he steps outside into the real world, his actions affect those around him.  If his judgement is impaired, he will do stupid stuff.  This is why drugs should be illegal.

I agree, lets make booze illegle again, that will cut down the dui rate.
and those painkillers too. why just look at rush, he got his dope from the drugstore just like all upstanding people. lets put a stop to that too.
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« Reply #44 on: March 30, 2004, 07:45:32 AM »
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SO i guess your all for reinstateing prohibition as well?

I would have no problem with that.