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Offline Nilsen

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« on: March 30, 2004, 05:55:24 AM »
I see here in the paper today that the russians have just finished a new nuke missile that renderes the US missile defence shield completly useless.

ill see if i can find an english source to.

Apparently its a hypersonic missile that can maneuver  between space and the atmosphere. The russians sais its ready for mass production and that its not very expencive to build. It was made to counter the expencive "sheild" and experts in the west sais that it will indeed make the shield useless when the new missile becomes operational.

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« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2004, 06:58:18 AM »
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I see here in the paper today that the russians have just finished a new nuke missile that renderes the US missile defence shield completly useless.

ill see if i can find an english source to.

Apparently its a hypersonic missile that can maneuver  between space and the atmosphere. The russians sais its ready for mass production and that its not very expencive to build. It was made to counter the expencive "sheild" and experts in the west sais that it will indeed make the shield useless when the new missile becomes operational.


Uhhh . . . the "shield" is already useless.   Remember the tests when they couldnt hit the incoming missle unless it had a homing beacon on it?

It is just a mishmash of patriot missle type elements that were hastily deployed.  Frankly I havent heard much about it since 9-11

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« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2004, 07:03:09 AM »
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It was made to counter the expencive "sheild" and experts in the west sais that it will indeed make the shield useless when the new missile becomes operational.


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While Putin said the development of such new weapons wasn't aimed against the United States, most observers viewed the move as Moscow's retaliation to the U.S. missile defense plans.

After years of vociferous protests, Russia reacted calmly when Washington withdrew from the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty in 2002 in order to develop of a nationwide missile shield. But U.S.-Russian relations have soured again lately, and Moscow has complained about Washington's plans to build new low-yield nuclear weapons.




..and the beat goes on...

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« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2004, 07:38:14 AM »

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« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2004, 07:49:58 AM »
Meanwhile Ukraine can't find its *** from a hole in the ground...

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Ukraine officials: Hundreds of Soviet-era antimissiles missing
KIEV, Ukraine (AP) — Several hundred decommissioned Soviet-built surface-to-air missiles are unaccounted for in Ukraine's military arsenal, the defense minister told a newspaper.
Defense Minister Yevhen Marchuk, in an interview published in the newspaper Den, appeared to suggest the missiles may have been dismantled without proper accounting, rather than stolen or sold.

"We are looking for several hundred missiles," Marchuk was quoted as saying in Thursday's edition. "They have already been decommissioned, but we cannot find them".

Marchuk didn't specify the types of missile. Defense Ministry spokesman Kostyantyn Khivrenko told The Associated Press that he was referring to S-75 air defense missiles — also known in the West by the code-name SA-2.

Marchuk said the Defense Ministry hadn't observed the accounting requirements established by law until last summer, an apparent jab at his predecessors.

Hundreds of such missiles from Soviet arsenals in Warsaw Pact member countries had been brought to Ukraine for dismantling but were lost due to "accounting problems," Khivrenko said.

He said the absence of records documenting what happened to the missiles was "strange," and added that an investigation was under way.

The missiles entered service with the Soviet air defense troops in 1957. Able to shoot down targets at altitudes up to 12 1/2 miles, they have been sold to a large number of nations around the world.

It was the same type of missile that brought down a U.S. U-2 spy plane over the Ural Mountains in 1960. Its pilot, Francis Gary Powers, bailed out safely, but was captured, convicted as a spy, and held for almost two years until being traded for a KGB agent.

The S-75s played a prominent role in the Vietnam war, Mideast conflicts, and, most recently, were used in wars in Yugoslavia and Iraq.

Marchuk blamed his predecessors for not observing proper accounting standards while dealing with the missiles and other weapons.

"They say they were destroyed. OK, destroyed," Marchuk said. "Every such missile has gold, silver, platinum metals. Where are the results of their destruction?"

Marchuk said that when he became minister, "no one knew what the armed forces had," and after nine months in the job he still doesn't have precise information.

He said that inventories of military equipment had revealed a gaping hole equivalent to some $189 billion. In comparison, Ukraine's entire budget last year was less than $10 billion.

Ukraine inherited a vast arsenal with the 1991 collapse of the Soviet Union, including dozens of intercontinental ballistic missiles, strategic bombers and a wide array of other weapons. It shipped all its nuclear weapons to Russia in the early 1990s.

Marchuk's statement drew renewed attention to numerous reports of military equipment leaking out of Ukraine amid the post-Soviet turmoil.

In 2002, the United States claimed Ukrainian President Leonid Kuchma had sanctioned the sale of a sophisticated military radar to Iraq. The allegation, which Kuchma denies, badly strained relations between Washington and Kiev.


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« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2004, 08:05:43 AM »
Yup Rip....it was no order whatsoever when the Soviet empire colapsed. However that is not news.

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« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2004, 08:10:16 AM »
I would think that to assess whether or not an anti-missile system is effective you would have to know something about it's capabilities, right? And who would know this?
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« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2004, 08:12:47 AM »
Everyone except the most ignorant knows that the missile defence is pure fantasy. Surely it will be possible to intercept one missile, but in a full strike we are talking about hundreds of MIRV warheads.
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« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2004, 08:14:14 AM »
Nah Iron....its useless :D

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« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2004, 08:14:57 AM »
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Everyone except the most ignorant knows that the missile defence is pure fantasy.


I can understand how some with little advanced technology and/or no military capability might want to believe that.
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« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2004, 08:15:03 AM »
Measure and countermeasure leads to measure and countermeasure.

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« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2004, 08:16:06 AM »
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I can understand how some with little advanced technology and/or no military capability might want to believe that.


What is that supposed to mean?

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« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2004, 08:17:40 AM »
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What is that supposed to mean?


It means how would you know what the US has up it's sleeve?
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« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2004, 08:19:48 AM »
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Measure and countermeasure leads to measure and countermeasure.

Remember, they started out with sticks and rocks.


Very true, but Russia no longer has a spy network capable of learning what must be countered. An anti-missile system won't likely be revealed until it is needed.
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« Reply #14 on: March 30, 2004, 08:28:20 AM »
lol Iron.. you do know that Finland uses the F18 dont you? :lol