Bush response to 9/11 prevented more attacks

[Steve]

Steve: Why isn't the right-wing screaming about people dying in DPRK? They certainly did it (and continue to do so) about Saddam. Don't give me that nuclear stuff either, it was "proved" Iraq had WMD's

Hawker, let me get this straight, you don't see the logistics of Iraq being any different than the DPRK due to the latter's military/ nuclear capability?

Umm the leader of the right wing has screamed about North Korea. Maybe you weren't tuned in on those days.

Are you going to continue to "answer" my questions with questions instead of having the fortitude to debate?  If so Hawker, let me know now so I'll know to just skip over your wasted post space.

Now, if you don't mind Hawker, let the big boys play and allow Frogmn to speak for himself.  Thanks.

[Frogm4n]

Originally posted by Steve

Honestly, do you doubt that Saddam's gang and Bin Laden's gang weren't working together at least financially?

Do you approve that Saddam would send cash to families of people who murdered Israeli's?

Yes i think saddam was not funding bin ladden. Bin ladden gets plenty of cash from the saudis, who commit just as many atrocitys as saddam did. (minus the gassing of their own people.)

Btw i wonder how many dead iraqis liked the fact that the gas used to kill them said made in the USA on it.


I just dont understand the logic behind invading iraq to remove one of the small fish when we have bigger fish to fry. ( saudi arbia and the dprk).

It certainly isnt worth the lives of our people and the trillions it will end up costing us.

[Nilsen]

Thank you Steve for a straight answer.

Next question.

Why has Bush not gone to the same lenghts to help people in even worse situations in other parts of the world?

[Sandman]

Dare we mention the "O" word?

[Steve]

I just dont understand the logic behind invading iraq to remove one of the small fish when we have bigger fish to fry. ( saudi arbia and the dprk).

Well, one thing at a time.  It seems we have struck common ground! Honestly, I don't know what we can do about Saudi Arabia.  I've given this thought..... a puzzle to be sure.  The Saudis are very adept at talking out of both sides of their mouths.

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Nilsen10
Did Bush invade Iraq to help the Iraqi people?

yes or no ?

DUH!

In 1991, Security Council Resolution 688 demanded that the Iraqi regime cease at once the repression of its own people, including the systematic repression of minorities -- which the Council said, threatened international peace and security in the region. This demand goes ignored.

Last year, the U.N. Commission on Human Rights found that Iraq continues to commit extremely grave violations of human rights, and that the regime's repression is all pervasive. Tens of thousands of political opponents and ordinary citizens have been subjected to arbitrary arrest and imprisonment, summary execution, and torture by beating and burning, electric shock, starvation, mutilation, and rape. Wives are tortured in front of their husbands, children in the presence of their parents -- and all of these horrors concealed from the world by the apparatus of a totalitarian state.

[Steve]

Why has Bush not gone to the same lenghts to help people in even worse situations in other parts of the world?

Nils, good question.  I believe we will take action in other parts of the world. Our Govt has to also consider American interests in addition to the interests of the rest of the world when factoring in priorities.  Iraq was in league w/ terrorists, was attempting to develop WMD above and beyond what it already had, in addition to it's abuse of neighbors(kuwait) and it's own people.  With this in mind, why wouldn't Iraq be a good place to start?

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
DUH!

Rip, the U.S. did not have U.N. sanction to invade Iraq.

It makes little sense to go around them and then try to use them as justification.

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Frogm4n
Btw i wonder how many dead iraqis liked the fact that the gas used to kill them said made in the USA on it.

 

Yeah, each cannister had instructions on it:

"Saddam, use this on your own people in case of an emergency"

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Rip, the U.S. did not have U.N. sanction to invade Iraq.

It makes little sense to go around them and then try to use them as justification.

This was a speech given to the UN by Bush, and the question was "Did Bush invade Iraq to help the Iraqi people?" in case you missed it.

[Steve]

Btw i wonder how many dead iraqis liked the fact that the gas used to kill them said made in the USA on it

This opens up another whole discussion on why the U.S aided Iraq in the first place.  If you want we can discuss this.

Addendum:  I don't like the idea of any country using non-conventional weapons on it's enemies, unless said enemy has done so as well.

[Steve]

It makes little sense to go around them and then try to use them as justification.

Sandman, just so I understand clearly.  You are stating we cannot use any of Iraq's crimes against  it's people or it's neighbors as justification to invade because these actions were mentioned by the U.N.?

[lasersailor184]

Why would the interrogators ask for what happened, instead of what will happen?


I'd rather learn about possible terrorist attacks in the future instead of failed ones in the past.

[Nilsen]

Ok Steve.

Im not gonna drag the Oil, WMDs and my belives on waiting for UN on the Iraq issue into this cause then this will just turn into another one of "those" threads that leads nowhere and im getting pretty tired of those here

I just want to see where things will go from here (after Iraq/Afghanistan).
 
So you belive/hope that when Iraq and Afghanistan is stable and safe, Bush (if he gets to continue in office) will start to deal with the genocides that have been going on in sertain parts of africa or what will the next step be?

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Steve
Sandman, just so I understand clearly.  You are stating we cannot use any of Iraq's crimes against  it's people or it's neighbors as justification to invade because these actions were mentioned by the U.N.?

It's not as if the crimes were recent. Iraq was invaded because it posed an immediate threat to the safety and security of the United States (or so we were lead to believe).