Author Topic: Bush response to 9/11 prevented more attacks (Read 1619 times)

Steve · « **Reply #45 on:** March 30, 2004, 04:06:19 PM »

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I just want to see where things will go from here (after Iraq/Afghanistan).

Me too! For Bush to be sincere in his policies he must continue to press these issues.

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So you belive/hope that when Iraq and Afghanistan is stable and safe, Bush (if he gets to continue in office) will start to deal with the genocides that have been going on in sertain parts of africa or what will the next step be?

Yes!
I don't know what the next step should be. I do agree that the stuff you mentioned going on in Africa is horrific. But I do think that Bush will continue his doctrine elsewhere. Part of the problem is that the Muslim states in the Middle East just don't like themselves(internally) or each other. Hard to stabilize a nation when the citizens will happily kill each other, given the chance.

Steve · « **Reply #46 on:** March 30, 2004, 04:08:01 PM »

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Iraq was invaded because it posed an immediate threat to the safety and security of the United States(or so we were lead to believe).

No you weren't.

Sandman · « **Reply #47 on:** March 30, 2004, 04:12:02 PM »

You're right... it wasn't really Bush that said all this .

WilldCrd · « **Reply #48 on:** March 30, 2004, 04:27:18 PM »

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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
You're right... it wasn't really Bush that said all this .

Did you READ that or ya just shooting in the dark?

strk · « **Reply #49 on:** March 30, 2004, 04:30:29 PM »

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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
You're right... it wasn't really Bush that said all this .

Im honestly suprised that the WH didnt scrub that from their site

Nilsen · « **Reply #50 on:** March 30, 2004, 04:45:03 PM »

Thank you for more straight answers Steve.
If this proves to be the case, and the Bush regime actually has a plan to make the world a better place and they _follow through_ on it then i will pop open a bottle of good French wine or perhaps some Champagne and celebrate it.

For now its been to much shady stuff going on and hidden agendas (from where i stand) for my liking but im really hoping that in the future this will be resolved and the world can move on from here. All this hate, mistrust and dung throwing (from all sides) is getting really old and is leading us nowhere positive.

Sandman · « **Reply #51 on:** March 30, 2004, 04:55:04 PM »

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Originally posted by WilldCrd
Did you READ that or ya just shooting in the dark?

Apparently, you didn't read it...

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The threat comes from Iraq. ... we are resolved today, to confront every threat, from any source, that could bring sudden terror and suffering to America.

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We agree that the Iraqi dictator must not be permitted to threaten America and the world with horrible poisons and diseases and gases and atomic weapons.

...has struck other nations without warning, and holds an unrelenting hostility toward the United States.

Some ask how urgent this danger is to America and the world. The danger is already significant, and it only grows worse with time.

Torque · « **Reply #52 on:** March 30, 2004, 04:56:51 PM »

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Originally posted by Steve
Frog, Were there hundreds of thousands of people murdered, tortured, and raped by Saddam's Regime?

A simple "Yes" or "No" will help me understnad what you feel.

Thank you.

Nothing like supporting and protecting a dictator while he commits atrocities like the Infal Campaign only to later use those said atrocities to furthur your own agenda.

But hey, it was good for the economy, right.

Steve · « **Reply #53 on:** March 30, 2004, 06:36:36 PM »

well, I read the whole thing... couldn't find anything about "immediate threat".

tell me Sandman, I'm curious. What exactly has to happen to us for you to agree we should defend our lives? A nuke in NYC? Would that do it for you? The embassy bombings, the U.S.S Cole, both WTC bombings... how many Americans have to die until you're satisfied that appeasement does not work?

Or maybe you're one of those people who didn't believe Saddam was evil and cohorting w/ terrorists Are you? The training facilities in Iraq.. they didn't exist? The money to the families of Palestinians whose relatives murdered Israeli civilians... bogus?
At what point, if any, is it enough to satisfy you that a person is a danger to the world? I'd really like to know.

Steve · « **Reply #54 on:** March 30, 2004, 06:38:33 PM »

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Nothing like supporting and protecting a dictator while he commits atrocities like the Infal Campaign only to later use those said atrocities to furthur your own agenda.

Tell me, how did we support him and protect him as this unfolded

strk · « **Reply #55 on:** March 30, 2004, 06:41:03 PM »

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Originally posted by Steve
well, I read the whole thing... couldn't find anything about "immediate threat".

tell me Sandman, I'm curious. What exactly has to happen to us for you to agree we should defend our lives? A nuke in NYC? Would that do it for you? The embassy bombings, the U.S.S Cole, both WTC bombings... how many Americans have to die until you're satisfied that appeasement does not work?

Or maybe you're one of those people who didn't believe Saddam was evil and cohorting w/ terrorists Are you? The training facilities in Iraq.. they didn't exist? The money to the families of Palestinians whose relatives murdered Israeli civilians... bogus?
At what point, if any, is it enough to satisfy you that a person is a danger to the world? I'd really like to know.

Well by your logic we should invade China, North Korea, most of Africa and South America. Lets do it! lets police the world in the name of civil rights and equality!

Oh wait, we seem to be only interested in 3rd world countried that have a **** load of oil.. Wonder why that is - do you have an explanation for that?

If you have the link between Iraq and Al Queda I would love to see it, as would the rest of the world. Im talking BEFORE 911 - there are plenty of Al Queda in Iraq today. What did boy king say? Bring it on? indeed

Why you are at it tell us were the WMDs are too

Steve · « **Reply #56 on:** March 30, 2004, 06:47:24 PM »

Strk, as I said in another thread, you're too witless for me to address. This will be my last response to you so save your typing finger some wasted wear.

strk · « **Reply #57 on:** March 30, 2004, 07:09:40 PM »

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Originally posted by Steve
Strk, as I said in another thread, you're too witless for me to address. This will be my last response to you so save your typing finger some wasted wear.

Good! I am sick of you lame ad hominem attacks. You have no game, no argument other than RW talking points. I would be suprised if you have actually sat down and thought about any of it.

Like the other wingnuts you dont let facts get in the way of your predjudice. and the fact is that Bush* is the worst president in our lifetime, probably in the history of the US

That you support him tells me you are either a very rich man or a fool. Bush* only cares about the rich. Otherwise you are like the chicken voting for Colonel Sanders. Be careful you might get what you ask for. White meat or dark??

Now go ahead and stick your head back in the sand and wait for your ****ing prom

Steve · « **Reply #58 on:** March 30, 2004, 07:14:38 PM »

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Thank you for more straight answers Steve If this proves to be the case, and the Bush regime actually has a plan to make the world a better place and they _follow through_ on it then i will pop open a bottle of good French wine or perhaps some Champagne and celebrate it.

For now its been to much shady stuff going on and hidden agendas (from where i stand) for my liking but im really hoping that in the future this will be resolved and the world can move on from here. All this hate, mistrust and dung throwing (from all sides) is getting really old and is leading us nowhere positive..

This is good stuff Nils. Bush has the support of conservatives here in the U.S. but it is not unconditional. If he does not push his agenda forward w/ other problem areas in the world and stands pat after Iraq, he is going to have a credibility issue w/ the right in additon his existing problems with the left.

Sandman · « **Reply #59 on:** March 30, 2004, 08:25:39 PM »

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Originally posted by Steve
well, I read the whole thing... couldn't find anything about "immediate threat".

tell me Sandman, I'm curious. What exactly has to happen to us for you to agree we should defend our lives? A nuke in NYC? Would that do it for you? The embassy bombings, the U.S.S Cole, both WTC bombings... how many Americans have to die until you're satisfied that appeasement does not work?

Or maybe you're one of those people who didn't believe Saddam was evil and cohorting w/ terrorists Are you? The training facilities in Iraq.. they didn't exist? The money to the families of Palestinians whose relatives murdered Israeli civilians... bogus?
At what point, if any, is it enough to satisfy you that a person is a danger to the world? I'd really like to know.

The "imminent threat" line came from Rumsfeld on multiple occasions. That topic has been covered already.

I don't believe for a single moment that Americans are safer because we invaded Iraq. Israel might be better off, but I could not care less about them. They made their bed. They better find a way to live in it.

Money? Whew! If I recall the estimates, most of the money used to finance Al Qaeda operations came from Saudi Arabia or another likely source, opium. Fifteen of the terrorists on the planes on 911 were SAUDI. None were Iraqi. There is no known link between Hussein and Bin Laden. They were opposed to each other.

The United States will NEVER be free of a terrorist threat. Invading Iraq won't make a difference. Hussein was a pissant dictator in a pissant country besieged on all sides by a superior force for more than a decade. Threat? Yeah... there's a monster under my bed too.

As for Afghanistan and the Taliban. They deserved every single piece of ordnance we dropped on them and I'm quite happy see more bombs fly at the next country or group that is moronic enough to attack our people.

Sorry... but Hussein doesn't fit the bill. We were righteous. It's a damn shame that the boy king (to steal a line from strk) pissed it all away to chase his own personal chimera.