Author Topic: No child left behind (Read 767 times)

AKIron · « **on:** March 30, 2004, 10:32:11 AM »

I'd like to hear someone from the left tell me how this plan is bad for the kids.

"Many schools had complained that under the previous rule they may be unable to get federal funds due to them just because a few students had failed to take the test. The concerns have not been measured to see if this had been a significant problem, but anecdotal stories suggested some real hesitation.

Schools that get federal poverty aid but don't make progress goals at least two years straight face mounting sanctions, from having to offer transfers to risking state takeover. "

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,115565,00.html

gofaster · « **Reply #1 on:** March 30, 2004, 10:39:27 AM »

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The plan had been to make sure that schools don't leave out lower-performing students on test days in order to make themselves look like they are performing better than they are.

I don't know if I'm left or right, but it seems to me that you can bench bad athletes, but not bad students. Its one thing if your testing population is off due to students out with medical, personal (juvey hall for exmple), or family issues, but if you're preventing a student from taking a progress test, that's just wrong.

AKIron · « **Reply #2 on:** March 30, 2004, 10:47:42 AM »

I don't especially like Bush but I do like that he is a get things done kinda person and I do like most of what he is doing.

Most liberals would rather sit around complaining about how unjust America is rather than do anything likely to fix some of our harder problems. Bush has recognized that poverty can be self-perpetuating and is actually trying to do something about it that might have a chance to succeed. Of course there will be opposition, especially from those that are content with the status quo.

Sandman · « **Reply #3 on:** March 30, 2004, 11:00:34 AM »

I think the federal government should get out of the education business altogether. It's a state issue.

AKIron · « **Reply #4 on:** March 30, 2004, 11:03:15 AM »

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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
I think the federal government should get out of the education business altogether. It's a state issue.

Are you saying that because the federal govt is now run by Republicans or will you hold that view permanently and about areas other than education?

midnight Target · « **Reply #5 on:** March 30, 2004, 11:09:21 AM »

Not too familiar with all the details, but the NCLB bill is a good thing. Most Dems voted for it I believe. The only issue they have with it now is the lack of promised funding proposed by the administration.

AKIron · « **Reply #6 on:** March 30, 2004, 11:11:28 AM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
Not too familiar with all the details, but the NCLB bill is a good thing. Most Dems voted for it I believe. The only issue they have with it now is the lack of promised funding proposed by the administration.

According to what I've read that complaint is an excuse for not implementing the policies of the program, a claim that is denied by the federal govt I'll add.

gofaster · « **Reply #7 on:** March 30, 2004, 11:13:46 AM »

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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
I think the federal government should get out of the education business altogether. It's a state issue.

Mississippi and Alabama should be punished because they don't have the tax base of New York, New Jersey, or Califonia?

Sandman · « **Reply #8 on:** March 30, 2004, 11:23:53 AM »

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Originally posted by gofaster
Mississippi and Alabama should be punished because they don't have the tax base of New York, New Jersey, or Califonia?

They can move if they don't like it.

Sandman · « **Reply #9 on:** March 30, 2004, 11:25:34 AM »

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Originally posted by AKIron
Are you saying that because the federal govt is now run by Republicans or will you hold that view permanently and about areas other than education?

It's not a partisan opinion.

...and yes, there are other areas as well.

AKIron · « **Reply #10 on:** March 30, 2004, 11:47:23 AM »

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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
It's not a partisan opinion.

...and yes, there are other areas as well.

Perhaps you are a conservative democrat? Or just a confused one.

Frogm4n · « **Reply #11 on:** March 30, 2004, 11:51:49 AM »

NCLB is not funded.

AKIron · « **Reply #12 on:** March 30, 2004, 11:57:46 AM »

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Originally posted by Frogm4n
NCLB is not funded.

The federal government disagrees but let's just for the sake of argument say that you're right. So what? Most public schools receive federal money, some receive extra money. Part of what this program is about is demanding that schools start doing the job they are already being paid to do. Do you think the answer is to pay underperforming teachers more money? I think we're more likely to see improvement if we rather hold them accountable and fire their sorry tulips (by letting these kids transfer) if they won't work harder to get the job done.

Frogm4n · « **Reply #13 on:** March 30, 2004, 12:00:25 PM »

I think the answer is to pay teachers enough money so the ones that do perform do not leave for higher paying positions in college or private schools.

The schools cannot afford the testing in NCLB.

AKIron · « **Reply #14 on:** March 30, 2004, 12:01:46 PM »

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Originally posted by Frogm4n
I think the answer is to pay teachers enough money so the ones that do perform do not leave for higher paying positions in college or private schools.

The schools cannot afford the testing in NCLB.

BS