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« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2004, 05:15:47 PM »
Rip, you can probably beat me on nose and ear hair. I don't have much of that. I just have hair on top of my head. I think I recall you're already a bit ....  what's that word? Bald? Is that it?

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« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2004, 05:38:25 PM »
Hair is overrated


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« Reply #17 on: March 30, 2004, 05:42:42 PM »
MT the only redeaming quality I see you have is great taste in dogs

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« Reply #18 on: March 30, 2004, 05:44:31 PM »
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MT the only redeaming quality I see you have is great taste in dogs


That is true but they have to be sedated for him to get close to them.  :p
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« Reply #19 on: March 30, 2004, 05:57:06 PM »
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Seriously though...I know of a lot of people that are hiring right now BUT they arent the high tech high paying jobs of the past.  The job market has switched.

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Point of this whole rant is there are plenty of jobs out there right now....you just have to know were to look and maybe retrain your self to do something you think may be "below you"


Yup ... somethin' certainly needs fixin'. More jobs ain't always the be all-end all solution when the new jobs are all fast food and temp labor postions. All that means is that "Joe Average" has to have more than one job to feed his family. Companies aren't looking to hire someone that'll be with them until retirement like they used to. That's a liability, yaknow.

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« Reply #20 on: March 30, 2004, 06:06:46 PM »
Toad is growing a ponytail....



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« Reply #21 on: March 30, 2004, 06:54:45 PM »
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Toad is growing a ponytail....



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Just got a Ripsnort special this morning.. feels great!


Triple-edged razor special? Or my famous Ranger-cut special?  I wear the former, my boys the latter..

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« Reply #22 on: March 30, 2004, 07:01:22 PM »
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Geez! Come on up to the NW, I'll give ya a good haircut, Toad! :D

Nice pic, btw.


Why I think his sandy and tan hair looks fine.
It's the orange ribbons that clash with Toads hair:)


BTW Nice looking dogs, Someone posted they raise dog de bordues? (SP) My Rottie died and my wife says I can get another dog in the spring. WELL SPRING is here. I thought tho's Dog de bordue where just what I'm looking for. I have a fenced yard little over a half acre. I want a really big dog with the temperment of a loyal Rottie.
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« Reply #23 on: March 30, 2004, 07:03:17 PM »
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Toad is growing a ponytail....



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Just got a Ripsnort special this morning.. feels great!

Isn't a Ripsnort "special" Parting your hair ear to ear?

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« Reply #24 on: March 30, 2004, 07:07:42 PM »
Most people that I know here in Oregon that were layed off in 2000 were able to find other jobs in the tech industry.  Companies are just more cautious about how many they hire these days.

I do like the "companies don't hire people with the intention of keeping them" statement.  I know a few big companies that are like that... but I know a few more that would love to be able to retain experienced employees.  The mid 90s forced those companies to learn to work with a revolving work force... and it wasn't because of layoffs.

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« Reply #25 on: March 30, 2004, 07:11:48 PM »
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I know a few big companies that are like that...


More and more the trend, miniD. One industry growing by leaps and bounds in the U.S. is the temporary service industry.

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« Reply #26 on: March 30, 2004, 07:24:29 PM »
I disagree arlo.  There have always been the hire and fire companies like HP, Motorolla, boeing and the auto industry that are notorious for those practices, but it's the ones that you don't hear about on the news (which outnumber the ones you do hear about by a long shot) that prefer the experience in the work force.

The problem is, those companies had people coming and going in quick succession for most of the last 10 years.  Of the 50 or so people I worked with 11 years ago, perhaps 7 are still with the company, and none of them were layed off.  Of the 7 that are still with the company, 3 of them left then came back.  For those that prefered security, it was there.  But most were chasing the % increase in the salary and hopped wherever they had to.  We had about 10 startup fabs get going at the same time in the area... and people were going from $15/hr with 1 year experience to $22/hr with a new startup.  Why not make the change?  Then when the new startup failed because of too much overhead, they went to the next new startup making even more.

We now have an experience gap where I work.  There's the old dogs with 10 or more years and there's those with 4 or less years... a relatively small percentage in between.  It's a bit odd given that 96-2000 were our major growth years nearly doubling the size of our work force.

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« Reply #27 on: March 30, 2004, 07:34:23 PM »
dang MT, lose the girly glasses and we could almost pass for brothers



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« Reply #28 on: March 30, 2004, 07:38:22 PM »
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We can't get enough warm bodies in here to fill the orders we have now. Where the heck are all those dang unemployed people?


what is your pay rate?
what is the cost of living in the surounding area?
whats the average price of a months rent or a mortgage payment?

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« Reply #29 on: March 30, 2004, 10:52:20 PM »
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I disagree arlo.



You can disagree all you want, MiniD ... that doesn't change the fact that more and more companies are cutting back their workforce to the bone and then resorting to temp labor hiring to fill in positions when neccesary.

They do it to cut overhead and the amount of money saved from not having to pay health benefits and retirement pay to a large portion of their workforce is no small chunk of change, either. Ever your own example cited shows that practice.

No ... no company cuts ALL positions to temps. Yes SOME of them get to stay and reap the benefits. It may even "create more jobs" (seasonally speaking) but it certainly cuts back on "maintaining more careers."

And blaming it all on the workforce because they won't stick with one company for long isn't a very good or rational argument. Trust me, the working population of the U.S. isn't filled with people who are too bored to stick with one career if that career pays a decent salary and get a kick out of going to job interviews time and again. Nor are companies jumping all over themselves to outbid each other over permanent blue collar positions the way you make it sound. Maybe in your little chunk of the world does the blue collar worker reap endless golden opprotunity (and if so, I'd like to know where that is) but I doubt it. I know in mine is certainly doesn't.
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