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« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2004, 10:30:54 PM »
Nuke,

"I can't believe how ignorant people can be on the matter. The US acted on the best intelligence THE WORLD offered."

US wanted a war with Iraq from the begining and the Intelligence (which every single point raised has since been proven to be false) was created to try and justify a war in Iraq over WMD's and violation of UN resolutions.

One of the biggest problems for the US now, and for many years to come even once Iraq (if ever) is finally sorted out Is that because of this US credibility in the world is now zero.

Saying US acted due to UN resolutions being broken really is clutching at straws for justification of the war.  The world was sold the story of WMD's which have proved to be non existent. Some serious questions need to be asked of the administration as to how they come to the conclusion they did exist and why war with Iraq was actioned.

Seems to me if US acted on the best of intelligence then how did they manage to get it all so badly wrong?

Dosn't matter how you try and look or justify it, invasion of Iraq was wrong and world opinion agrees.
 


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« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2004, 10:35:32 PM »
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Nuke,

"I can't believe how ignorant people can be on the matter. The US acted on the best intelligence THE WORLD offered."

US wanted a war with Iraq from the begining and the Intelligence (which every single point raised has since been proven to be false) was created to try and justify a war in Iraq over WMD's and violation of UN resolutions.

One of the biggest problems for the US now, and for many years to come even once Iraq (if ever) is finally sorted out Is that because of this US credibility in the world is now zero.

Saying US acted due to UN resolutions being broken really is clutching at straws for justification of the war.  The world was sold the story of WMD's which have proved to be non existent. Some serious questions need to be asked of the administration as to how they come to the conclusion they did exist and why war with Iraq was actioned.

Seems to me if US acted on the best of intelligence then how did they manage to get it all so badly wrong?

Dosn't matter how you try and look or justify it, invasion of Iraq was wrong and world opinion agrees.
 


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Well I feel the invasion of Iraq was a good thing. Which part of the invasion of Iraq do you feel is bad or wrong?

What "world" opinion?

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« Reply #17 on: March 30, 2004, 10:42:32 PM »
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You can't have it both ways, either it matters or it don't


So we agree, they did authorize??


Do I have you or are you just swimming in your own hate?


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« Reply #18 on: March 30, 2004, 10:47:35 PM »
I must have missed something ? How did bush lie about Iraq?
Is It the WMD thing?
If so that Is very week people.
Sadumb insaine had 12 years to comply with the UN after the first gulf war.
Anyone remember that one?
Well he basicly told everyone to F@#K Off.

And spent the next 12n years raping and killing thousands of people.
Oh And ofcoures thumbing his nose at the UN the whole time.


Now Is It possible for the Bush administration to have made a mistake about WMD?

Well I know none of us have never made a mistake so how dare them right!

Look wether WMD is found or not And I do believe they have found some just not the quanities to make the world go golly look at all those WMDs.

LOL Iraq Is one giant sand box
you ever try and find the last terd in your cats litter box?

Dammed near impossible right?
Well just imagine how hard it would be to find WMDs in a giant sand box called Iraq.

Bush did a good thing by removing Sadum hussien from power can that be denied?

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« Reply #19 on: March 30, 2004, 11:18:17 PM »
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Look at the total number of Native Americans alive from the time of the Euor landings in North American until 1776.

Then look at the number from 1776 until now.

You'll see who did what to whom.

And if I was a Euro, I'd study it pretty closely before I spoke about how many the US slaughtered.


No toad, all the natives dissapeared 10 seconds after the revolutniary war began. The "european" colonists were innocent cultured and pure because they came from the land of magical 1000 year old cathedrals...

We all know europes true face in the last century, how many 100s of millions were killed by the ideopliogies and wars and genocides started and encouraged by superior euro cultural thought...
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« Reply #20 on: March 31, 2004, 01:59:08 AM »
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Originally posted by Toad
Look at the total number of Native Americans alive from the time of the Euor landings in North American until 1776.

Then look at the number from 1776 until now.

You'll see who did what to whom.

And if I was a Euro, I'd study it pretty closely before I spoke about how many the US slaughtered.


Can you please point a source ,I've no idea where to find such information

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« Reply #21 on: March 31, 2004, 02:08:21 AM »
I must have missed something ? How did bush lie about Iraq?

LMFAO you have to be kidding me? Yes you are missing something. Here's a small sample of Bush's lies about Iraq and there are heaps more.


Lie 1 "Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent.”

Zero Chemical Weapons Found
Not a drop of any chemical weapons has been found anywhere in Iraq
 
Lie 2 “U.S. intelligence indicates that Saddam Hussein
had upwards of 30,000 munitions capable of delivering chemical agents.”

Zero Munitions Found,
Not a single chemical weapon’s munition has been found anywhere in Iraq
 
Lie 3 “We have also discovered through intelligence
that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas."

Zero Aerial Vehicles Found
Not a single aerial vehicle capable of dispersing chemical or biological weapons, has been found anywhere in Iraq
 
Lie 4. "Evidence from intelligence sources, secret communications and statements by people now in custody reveal that
Saddam Hussein aids and protects terrorists, including members of Al Qaida."

Zero Al Qaeda Connection

To date, not a shred of evidence connecting Hussein with Al Qaida or any other known terrorist organizations have been revealed.
 
Lie 5 "Our intelligence sources tell us that he (Saddam) has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes suitable for nuclear weapons production."

The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) as well as dozens of leading scientists declared said tubes unsuitable for nuclear weapons production -- months before the war.
 
Lie 6 "Satellite photographs reveal that Iraq is rebuilding facilities at [past nuclear] sites."

Two months of inspections at these former Iraqi nuclear sites found zero evidence of prohibited nuclear activities there


Lie 7 "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."

The documents implied were known at the time by Bush to be forged and not credible.
 
Lie 8 "We know he's been absolutely devoted to trying to acquire nuclear weapons, and we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons."

“The IAEA had found no evidence or plausible indication of the revival of a nuclear weapons program in Iraq."

IAEA report to UN Security Council – 3/7/2003
 
Lie 9 "We gave him a chance to allow the inspectors in, and he wouldn't let them in."

UN inspectors went into Iraq to search for possible weapons violations from December 2002 into March 2003

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« Reply #22 on: March 31, 2004, 02:45:34 AM »
"UN inspectors went into Iraq to search for possible weapons violations from December 2002 into March 2003"

Why and by whom were they asked to leave? And why then and not some time later? This is the part that confuses me.

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« Reply #23 on: March 31, 2004, 02:48:22 AM »
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You tell me what we are suppossed to do when the UN agrees that Iraq was in voilation and probably had WMD. The UN passed a "LAST CHANCE" resolution for Iraq to comply or else "FACE SERIOUS CONSEQUENCES"


The UN had Weapon inspectors in Iraq... do you remember this?

They couldnt find anything... Even the places the US told them to search at came out empty...

This could have been a hint...
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« Reply #24 on: March 31, 2004, 02:53:58 AM »
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"UN inspectors went into Iraq to search for possible weapons violations from December 2002 into March 2003"

Why and by whom were they asked to leave? And why then and not some time later? This is the part that confuses me.



They were asked to leave by Bush himself so he could Invade Iraq.



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« Reply #26 on: March 31, 2004, 03:20:30 AM »
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Well I feel the invasion of Iraq was a good thing. Which part of the invasion of Iraq do you feel is bad or wrong?

What "world" opinion?



Three main reasons against for me would be:

The many lies leading to the invasion.

The many lies since the invasion.

The 100's coalition soilders killed, 1000's wounded. 1000's Iraqi's killed and who knows how many 10's thousands Iraqi's wounded.

World Opinion? Probably the millions that protested prior to the war and that in polls other then in the US opinion for against the war rates at anything from 60 to almost 95% in different countries. What's the approval rating in the US at the moment for the war in Iraq?

Even the US allies the majority of population are against the war. UK for example was around 67% against even prior to the invasion. Today it's probably 90%.

True Sadam was a bastage, but invading the country wasn't the answer. And certinly not worth the cost and consequences of this action.



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« Reply #27 on: March 31, 2004, 03:26:32 AM »
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The 100's coalition soilders killed, 1000's wounded. 1000's Iraqi's killed and who knows how many 10's thousands Iraqi's wounded



Gixer, how many Iraqi's would Saddam have killed if we hadn't invaded?  Go ahead, speculate.  :)
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« Reply #28 on: March 31, 2004, 03:35:56 AM »
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True Sadam was a bastage, but invading the country wasn't the answer. And certinly not worth the cost and consequences of this action.


True, an endless sanction regime would have been much  prefferable. Oh wait, the sanctoions were evil too.  

What exactly would have been the right course of action?

Allow me to ask you this. Lets say the UN WMD inspections ended, saddam got off the WMD hook and sanctions were lifted allowing him to do almost whatver he wants. Do you for one second belive that he wouldnt consider it a great victory and immideatly restore his WMD programs, now full of cash and free of inspections and restrictions.  And we all know Saddam has been prone to such misjudgements in the past. What then?

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« Reply #29 on: March 31, 2004, 03:37:44 AM »
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What exactly would have been the right course of action?


The right course of action would have been Bush stating the real reason for the war... And not blaming the war on the WMD BS.
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