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Offline Gixer

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« on: March 30, 2004, 06:42:03 PM »
"Initially, the administration said an invasion was necessary to find and destroy weapons of mass destruction that Iraq possessed and was prepared to use. With none uncovered, the White House now says the war, in which more than 500 U.S. troops and thousands of Iraqis have died, was justified by Saddam's alleged intent to build and use such weaponry. "

What a joke, Bush's had picked teams have found absouletly zero and now  Iraq was invaded because of intent to produce WMD's. Oh but he was a horrible tirant and we had to get rid of him. By invading the country? Don't know how Bush and Blair manage to spin such BS and still expect people to believe in them other then the most guliable.

"Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war: neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."

- Hermann Goering, April 18, 1946, while awaiting the Nuremberg trials.



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Re: No WMD Search focus on "Intent"
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2004, 06:46:41 PM »
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Oh but he was a horrible tirant and we had to get rid of him. By invading the country?


No ... by sending him a pink slip and waiting for him to stand in the unemployment line.

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« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2004, 06:52:36 PM »

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« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2004, 07:05:19 PM »
"Don't try to have a rational debate with an idiot, people watching may not be able to tell the difference."

LOL Rip, you should take your own advice every debate you enter just turns into personal insults. Maybe I should do a search and quote some of your finest.



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« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2004, 07:57:05 PM »
Gixer we all know Bush is Hitler....

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« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2004, 08:00:45 PM »
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its not the horse that is dead, but almost 600 US military - all for Bush's lies.  

whats funny about that, cupcake?

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« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2004, 08:04:55 PM »
Ok, for the slower people here: The UN said Iraq probably had WMD, had other banned weapons and that they had never complied with UN resolutions and agreements which ended the 1st war.

You tell me what we are suppossed to do when the UN agrees that Iraq was in voilation and probably had WMD. The UN passed a "LAST CHANCE" resolution for Iraq to comply or else "FACE SERIOUS CONSEQUENCES"

I guess we are supposed to sit around hoping for the best and let the UN blabber about what they meant by serious consequences.

I can't believe how ignorant people can be on the matter. The US acted on the best intelligence THE WORLD offered.

Saddam played games and could have PREVENTED THIS WAR but CHOSE NOT TO .
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« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2004, 08:58:30 PM »
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Btw. funny you should mention "ignorance". Perhaps you still believe it was the Europeans who slaughtered your Indian population? Yeah, I thought so. Ignorant.



 no it was the euro's who did the spanish inquisition, ww1, ww2 (remember all the dead Jews?)  Bosnia, Serievo.  I guess none of that stuff counts since it happened after the Indian thing huh?

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« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2004, 08:59:46 PM »
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The UN did not sanction the invasion. Any UN resolution is therefore irrelevant and cannot be used as justification.


The USA does not have the right to police the world. The USA does not have the right to "make the world a better place".



Btw. funny you should mention "ignorance". Perhaps you still believe it was the Europeans who slaughtered your Indian population? Yeah, I thought so. Ignorant.



How many wars have occured that the UN didn't sanction? What makes the UN the sole determination for a war?

I guess you like the UN to draft resolutions and sign papers and nothing else other that talk big. Did the UN authorize the invasion Yugoslavia?


And tell me where I said the Indians were slaughtered by anyone. The fact is that the Spanish, French, British and Mexicans took about 95% of the Indians land, mostly before the US existed. I know it's hard for you to comprehend that. Anyway "Indians" land is missleading. There were many different tribes......none had a government or declared borders or a declared nation. Anyone on earth at that time had just as much claim to that land as anyone else.

By the laws of the world at the time, the US legally obtained all of our land. We gained  the colonies from Britain, bought Alaska from Russia, bought ALL the land from the Mississippi to the Rockies from the French. Mexico ( a Spanish colony) ceded most of the west ( California, Nevada, Arizona,New Mexico, Utah and parts of Colorado and Wyoming ) after a war they started. Then of course Texas, an independant nation joined the US.

 What land did we take from the Indians again?
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« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2004, 09:20:03 PM »
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Any UN resolution is therefore irrelevant



you said it, couldn't agree more.

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« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2004, 09:47:06 PM »
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Any UN resolution is therefore irrelevant
 


Ditto

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« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2004, 09:50:22 PM »
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Ditto


You can't have it both ways, either it matters or it don't

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« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2004, 09:51:32 PM »
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You can't have it both ways, either it matters or it don't


And the UN doesn't matter......we have it the only way it is, just the facts.

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« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2004, 10:05:06 PM »
Look at the total number of Native Americans alive from the time of the Euor landings in North American until 1776.

Then look at the number from 1776 until now.

You'll see who did what to whom.

And if I was a Euro, I'd study it pretty closely before I spoke about how many the US slaughtered.
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« Reply #14 on: March 30, 2004, 10:08:15 PM »
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And the UN doesn't matter......we have it the only way it is, just the facts.


next question - should it? and why?