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capt. apathy · « **Reply #45 on:** March 31, 2004, 07:36:38 PM »

haliburton has contracts on everything from catering to the transport of fuel. ( they are into other rackets, but these are the ones where their price gouging has made the papers)

do you remember the FL election fiasco. haliburton provided "free of charge" (at least to the Bush campaign, the tax payers are paying them back for him now), company helo's and legal suport. (damn fine investment on their part)

and as far as the Chaney conection he did run the company so it's not exactly a fact to be dismissed.

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #46 on:** March 31, 2004, 07:54:53 PM »

According to IraqBodyCount.net so far between 8,799 and 10,649 Iraqi civilians died due to the invasion.

Add 700 coalition deaths.

According to antiwar.com, add 4,895 to 6,370 Iraqi Military deaths.

According to other esitimates, 2,000,000 civilian deaths in the 12 years of sanctions for an average of 166,667 deaths a year.

High estimate of a year with the military option: 17,719

strk · « **Reply #47 on:** March 31, 2004, 08:30:50 PM »

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Originally posted by Yeager
Couple of thoughts:

Expect things in Iraq for the US to get alot worse as power is handed over to the iraqis and then afterwards for some time.

I wouldnt be surprised to exceed 1,500 US combat deaths before the new government is established enough to withdraw most US forces and button away emergency reserves.

I really wish an apache had been on hand to obliterate those hundreds of sunnis who murdered and were celebrating by dragging around bodies.

The sunnis may need to get cleaned out. Hate to say it but Im afraid they may need a thrashing of the highest order. Might be the only alternative to future stability in Iraq.

Pongo, were you aware that a Canadian civilian was killed by a crazed mob in Iraq this past week? Im just curious if canadian news reported it.

I thought it was the Shiites who were the bad guys.

strk · « **Reply #48 on:** March 31, 2004, 08:35:07 PM »

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Originally posted by muckmaw
Can you explain to me exactly how Haliburton figures into the war with Iraq. I understand the Cheney connection, but there's got to be more to it than that.

Exactly how much has Haliburton profited from the war with Iraq and how has this helped George W. Bush wither politically or financially.

I know the lefties just love to say this one word when they don't know what else to say, but I'm guessing most don't even know what the connection is.

And please don't link me to a "Tower 7" websight. Thanks.

Halliburton got no-bid contracts on Iraq which was kind of sleezy considering that Cheney just left the company, except for the fact that this sort of thing is right up Halliburton's alley iirc. Also a strange mission for a company imo

but anyway, the real scandal is the apparent overcharges of the company. Halliburton has already returned millions and there are more than one incidents that are being investigated. Sort of $700.00 tiolet seat stuff

Munkii · « **Reply #49 on:** March 31, 2004, 09:11:06 PM »

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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
According to IraqBodyCount.net so far between 8,799 and 10,649 Iraqi civilians died due to the invasion.

Add 700 coalition deaths.

According to antiwar.com, add 4,895 to 6,370 Iraqi Military deaths.

According to other esitimates, 2,000,000 civilian deaths in the 12 years of sanctions for an average of 166,667 deaths a year.

High estimate of a year with the military option: 17,719

I never understood this, if 166,667 people died because of sanctions and conditions, I know for a fact that within one year we have not reworked the entire infrastructure of the country. There could have been no possible way there were 166,667 dieing per year, then none. I do on the other hand think there was a sharp reduction. I just wish there were clear stats. Unfortunantly none will ever be released until all military action is done.

Pongo · « **Reply #50 on:** March 31, 2004, 09:24:12 PM »

Muckmaw.
You know that haliburton has the no bid contracts for rebuilding the Iraqi oil infastructure?
You know the the US goverment has borrowed the money to pay for that(to haliburton)
Every dollar that is needed to do that work from food to security to road building to fence building to computer systems to transportation to TV for the workers to absolutly everything. Is paid from the goverment contracts to Haliburton who skims it and then pays subcontors and suppliers.
The big contract was not bid and NONE of the sub contracts are bid.
The domestic product of a small country given away to the vice presidents company to do with as they please.
The 14000 mercenaries in Iraq are moslty paid through those contracts.

Most are probably US ex service men so thats a nice nest egg for them. But think..the US has to borrow that money. From who? Not from US interests I assure you.. It is one of the most increadable public money expenditures in history. There is absolulty no guerentee that the oil reserves of Iraq will ever be available to pay it back..It seems far more likley to me that post US occupation Iraq will sell its oil to the Japanese and Euros and Chinese in Euros then give it to the US in dollars.
What is the US going to do? Say the Iraqis owe it to them? They were invaded, they had no say in the expenditures or anything else to do with the invasion.
Really the US administration was hoping to do a Dulles brothers act on Iraq like they did on Iran in the 40s. But entrenched despots are alot more resiliant then fledgling democracies so they failed and had to invade to get what they want..but what a gamble.

Some of it is self evident. There are not tones of companies arround that can take on that level of work..One happend to be as closely associated with the vice president as a company can be.
If col Saunders was the vice president and the white house put in an order for 80 billion dollars worth of KFC maybe it would be more clear.

muckmaw · « **Reply #51 on:** March 31, 2004, 09:44:26 PM »

And George Bush is helping out Haliburton....er why?

Because they let him use their helicopter during the Florida thing?

Or is Cheney the real evil genius behind the plot?

Let me see if I understand this..

Haliburton helps Bush get elected, so Bush repays them by starting a war and giving them the reparation contracts?

How did Halibuton help Bush get elected?

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #52 on:** March 31, 2004, 09:58:48 PM »

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Originally posted by Munkii
I never understood this, if 166,667 people died because of sanctions and conditions, I know for a fact that within one year we have not reworked the entire infrastructure of the country. There could have been no possible way there were 166,667 dieing per year, then none. I do on the other hand think there was a sharp reduction. I just wish there were clear stats. Unfortunantly none will ever be released until all military action is done.

The 2,000,000 Iraqi deaths due to sanctions was widely reported before the invasion. UNICEF officials estimated in 2000 that 5,000 to 6,000 Iraqi children were dying each month primarily due to sanctions.

I have searched extensively I have yet to find anything to refute this apparent statistic and I am using the worst case scenario numbers published by groups opposed to the present administration's policy...all that I have found tend to show that the military option may have saved almost 150,000 lives this last year.

I would welcome any information that would bring light on the subject.

capt. apathy · « **Reply #53 on:** March 31, 2004, 10:15:00 PM »

I'm sure when he is out of office we'll be seeing him getting big cash in consulting fee's from them.

I never really pictured you as so nieve that you wouldn't blink an eye when a presidents close friends and bussines associates, are allowed to run billions of taxpayers money through their sieve.

I finally get the trickle down economics.
bush gives a couple hundred billion (of our money) to his buddies, and some of that trickles down to pay the people doing the job (that's not our job)

Pongo · « **Reply #54 on:** March 31, 2004, 10:58:19 PM »

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Originally posted by muckmaw
And George Bush is helping out Haliburton....er why?

Because they let him use their helicopter during the Florida thing?

Or is Cheney the real evil genius behind the plot?

Let me see if I understand this..

Haliburton helps Bush get elected, so Bush repays them by starting a war and giving them the reparation contracts?

How did Halibuton help Bush get elected?

Sorry only the extremly obtuse, which you dont seem to be would need any more explenation of the issue.

LAWCobra · « **Reply #55 on:** March 31, 2004, 11:51:05 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
$1000 per day is pretty good change. I wonder how much a Marine lance corporal makes per day?

Yeah but the differnce between a merc and a marine is the marine has the Us to get his arse out of a hot spot .
Ofter more than not mercs are on there own very hazadus work for a familiy man is all im saying.

Hell I once made 4k in a day selling fords and never got shot at once LOL.

NUKE · « **Reply #56 on:** March 31, 2004, 11:58:19 PM »

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Originally posted by Pongo
Muckmaw.
You know that haliburton has the no bid contracts for rebuilding the Iraqi oil infastructure?

Im way out of my element here, but isn't Haliburton one of maybe a few companies in the world that has the equipment, resources and expertise to rebuild the oil infrastucture?

I seem to have heard that somewhere, I could be very wrong but I seem to remember something like this.

capt. apathy · « **Reply #57 on:** April 01, 2004, 12:13:27 AM »

they're subing it out and charging us much more than they are paying the subs.

also bush pushed and planed for this war for quite a while before he finally did it. plenty of time to take bids.

lazs2 · « **Reply #58 on:** April 01, 2004, 08:13:53 AM »

looks to me like we average about 100 deaths per 100,000 so that would mean... just lounging around we would lose 150 of those 700 that died in iraq..

Now... say we wanted to get some real training... intense year round training... with live fire, war games etc... the number would probly double at least.

I am glad we are keeping casalties so low. One or two terrorist bombs at a U.S. base would kill far more.

I believe that those deaths are not wasted.

lazs

Pongo · « **Reply #59 on:** April 01, 2004, 10:25:58 AM »

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Originally posted by NUKE
Im way out of my element here, but isn't Haliburton one of maybe a few companies in the world that has the equipment, resources and expertise to rebuild the oil infrastucture?

I seem to have heard that somewhere, I could be very wrong but I seem to remember something like this.

I bet your right, but at the least there are a small number of companies that can take on such an endevor. So interesting that the Vice president and the President were so intent on fabricating a situation that would be of such enormous benifit to one party.