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Offline GRUNHERZ

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« Reply #30 on: April 01, 2004, 09:28:12 PM »
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your indian too? what nation/tribe?

Im comanche


I've figured it out!!! This guy is John Kerry, a different person every day of the week!!!

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« Reply #31 on: April 01, 2004, 09:37:35 PM »
I'm Cherokee.

I look german, but I def. feel my indian blood.
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« Reply #32 on: April 01, 2004, 09:40:47 PM »
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I'm Cherokee.

I look german, but I def. feel my indian blood.


What do you mean by that? How do you feel it?

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« Reply #33 on: April 01, 2004, 09:48:27 PM »
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your indian too? what nation/tribe?

Im comanche


I am German Jew scottish and cherokee.

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« Reply #34 on: April 01, 2004, 09:49:24 PM »
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I've figured it out!!! This guy is John Kerry, a different person every day of the week!!!


LOL and yer just a B(>)(<)B

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« Reply #35 on: April 01, 2004, 10:29:39 PM »
Back in the day there was lots of stories made....

It really doesn't sound to me like some ~500 indians couldn't have made short job of 25 men, after all they most likely had bows and various kinds of hand to hand weapons.
Unless these guys were in a bunker with firing slits and no way to smoke them out.

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« Reply #36 on: April 01, 2004, 10:31:58 PM »
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Back in the day there was lots of stories made....

It really doesn't sound to me like some ~500 indians couldn't have made short job of 25 men, after all they most likely had bows and various kinds of hand to hand weapons.
Unless these guys were in a bunker with firing slits and no way to smoke them out.


Hell son all they had to do was circle the wagons.

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« Reply #37 on: April 01, 2004, 10:34:49 PM »
Err, Fishu, I can't tell whether you're being sarcastic or not.


But a lot of the indians were just as well armed as the settlers out there.
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« Reply #38 on: April 01, 2004, 10:43:16 PM »
Weird!
I'll have to look that show up.  
Sounds like they have mixed the wagon box fight (Wyoming) up with the hayfield fight (Montana) Both were in 1867.
Wagon box was vs several thousand Indians and the defenders had several repeating rifles.
Hayfield was vs several hundred Indians and had no repeating rifles, just copper cartridge breach loaders.

Whites lost only 4 to 6 people (depending on source) in both fights.
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« Reply #39 on: April 01, 2004, 10:54:27 PM »
definetely a veteran ww2ol player that man.

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« Reply #40 on: April 02, 2004, 12:56:57 AM »
The Henry would have used black powder and needed many cleanings during firing, at least cleaned once every 10 - 15 shots.  They probably had cleaning bullets to scrape out the fouling in the barrel, which would have been considerable, and caused dangerous pressures because of reduced barrel diameter.

However seems like the action itself would be gunked up as well after many firings.  I've never heard that the Henry was bad about jamming, which testifies to its fine craftsmanship.

It did have one flaw I believe, in that the magazine tube beneath the barrel had a viewing slit, so the shooter could see how much ammo was left.  I may be mistaken about this, but if true, it would allow dirt into the magazine.

I've read that due to the nature of the Henry's construction, with its (brass?) receiver and great usage of metal parts throughout, it got very hot to handle after a few shots.  Some of those Henry shooters in combat would keep a bucket of water handy to dip the barrel into to cool it off a bit.

The centerfire falling block Sharps appeared in 1873 as an Army weapon and was in use for 6 months, when it was replaced by the Winchester '73.  Bear in mind smokeless powder was not to be invented 'til the 1880s, so even the '73 would have used black powder.

Lots of smoke and heat and probability of ammunition "cooking off."






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« Reply #41 on: April 02, 2004, 01:06:03 AM »
I am clearly the all time most deadly marksman.

122 kills in Unreal Tournament, Onslaught, in just 25 minutes of play.

Don't mess with me! You're risking a head-shot or worse.

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« Reply #42 on: April 02, 2004, 02:11:00 AM »
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I am clearly the all time most deadly marksman.

122 kills in Unreal Tournament, Onslaught, in just 25 minutes of play.

Don't mess with me! You're risking a head-shot or worse.


Except you died few times over during the course :D

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« Reply #43 on: April 02, 2004, 02:19:09 AM »
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so these thousands of indians just lined up and formed an orderly queue while the 25 men shot them.


Was thinking the same thing... 25 men would get overrun badly vs 1000 indians hehe....
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« Reply #44 on: April 02, 2004, 03:07:40 AM »
That's true, unless they used psychology.:)   With those repeating rifles,  they may have made the Indians think either there were more than 25, or could have been the Indians didn't all attack at once...may have been intimidated by the fire rate, especially if there were several Henrys there.

This reminds me of the Twilight Zone episode where the guys in the tank go back in time to the Little Big Horn.  They were wondering how they could have changed the battle using the tank.  Man that was a good show!




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