Author Topic: Increase 7.62 lethality... (Read 1086 times)

DoctorYO · « **on:** April 02, 2004, 09:26:53 AM »

7.62 and other light rounds should be doing more dammage..

Recently in my Ju88 (testing) I was engaged by a niki...

The nik went low thinking i was a b26 only to be met by my belly gun..

Now after he evaded and tried to set up a pass he came low and slow dead six..

I siezed this situation and peppered him no less than 200 rounds.. to the left wing root. (formation of ju88's)

about another 50 to 100 rounds into the engine cowling forward fuselage..

Granted this had no effect...

The Nik was a poor shot and was hanging on my 6 slow for like 20 secs..

My problem with this is that highly unrealistic.. Taking bullets into you aircraft should be dangerous.. As of current its laughable...

If I took an ak47 and peppered 6 bannana clips of ammo into your wing root.. your should have some form of catastrophic failure.. let alone a fully automatic mg on a supension for stability would do in that situation..

Now if you want to keep the model the same thats fine.. Just give me a option to take off the dead weight..

As of current the 7.62 is useless, and in combat useless weapons are not endorsed.. I find highly unrealistic the germans would mount a completely useless weapon on their aircraft and then keep it there..

Yes its not a fabled .50 cal (Ive fired this weapon in RL its great) but its still a Machine gun.. (m60 Rambo gun.. also used in RL.. its great too..)

A machine gun is a machine gun against unarmored targets... Planes (fighters especially are unarmored..) should suffer more catastophic failure from these weapons..

Thanks..

DoctorYo

AKcurly · « **Reply #1 on:** April 02, 2004, 03:39:15 PM »

Doctor Yo,

Are you familiar with Robert Johnson's [famous jug pilot] encounter with a 190? Johnson's a/p was heavily damaged prior to the encounter, so he had little choice but to hide in front of the armor of his seat.

Fortunately, the 190 had nothing left but 7.62 and flew directly behind Johnson's jug, firing burst after burst of 7.6. The 190 eventually gave up and Johnson made it across the channel.

I can look up the details if you're interested.

The target area representing the pilot is fairly small, but I suspect he is the correct target if you have 7.62 and nothing else.

curly

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #2 on:** April 02, 2004, 04:15:15 PM »

7.62's aren't as powerful as you think.

However, I do believe that if you pepper the cockpit it should kill the person much easier then it does now.

It will make planes with small caliber guns more deadly, but you'd have to be able to aim.

Pooh21 · « **Reply #3 on:** April 04, 2004, 05:03:57 PM »

whats strange is I was in 110g2 dogfighting spit, when hurriI engages I ignore hurri as his guns are useless. I kill spit,hurriI gets on my 6 at end of fight and pings me for 3 secs straight. not having anything more useful to do I jump in 110 stinger and light him up 3 secs later his wing falls off,while is pings continue on me for 6 or so more secs. I lost tail wheel,starboard fuel,and starboard engine oil.

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #4 on:** April 04, 2004, 05:45:59 PM »

Well the Hurricane can burn through 2600 rounds of .303 in a few seconds...

Also remember that the 110 is stronger then most fighters.

Xjazz · « **Reply #5 on:** April 05, 2004, 09:43:13 AM »

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Originally posted by Pooh21
whats strange is I was in 110g2 dogfighting spit, when hurriI engages I ignore hurri as his guns are useless. I kill spit,hurriI gets on my 6 at end of fight and pings me for 3 secs straight. not having anything more useful to do I jump in 110 stinger and light him up 3 secs later his wing falls off,while is pings continue on me for 6 or so more secs. I lost tail wheel,starboard fuel,and starboard engine oil.

How far that Hurri was shooting?

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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Well the Hurricane can burn through 2600 rounds of .303 in a few seconds...

Mk1's 2664pc .303cal ammos last about 20sec.

Hurricane Mk1's 8*.303cals can bite harder than people think.

DoctorYO · « **Reply #6 on:** April 05, 2004, 10:32:27 AM »

Fellas I agree with you that against armored targets 7.62 acts as it should..

But aircraft let alone fighters are flying gas cans with little to zero armor included..

7.62 should be doing more dammage to unarmored targets..

I dont expect it to punch thru the engine block and kill the pilot (.50 cals have this ability) but unarmored wing roots have no such engine block to protect it... Also note if i dump some 50 rounds of really anything in your engine block, something should happen.. Radiator, fuel, cylinder something should blow off..

as of current HTC treats 7.62 as BB's or paintballs...

And I dont agree with that..

DoctorYo

AKFokerFoder+ · « **Reply #7 on:** April 05, 2004, 01:10:57 PM »

I believe that the Battle of Britain was fought with Hurricanes and Spits armed with .303 guns. They proved effective enough to beat the Luftwaffe.

They also proved ineffective enough that the Brits moved to Hispanos and 50 cals.

So a point could be made that the 30 cals were more effective than are modeled in AH.

Just remember to be careful what you ask for. Changing the effectiveness of 30 cal guns will effect game play. Maybe in a manner you might eventually not like.

After all, this is a game.

And it is fun

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #8 on:** April 05, 2004, 01:32:37 PM »

The rifle caliber guns were done away with as primary armament because planes became more heavily armored around the vital parts, mostly the pilot.

Wilbus · « **Reply #9 on:** April 13, 2004, 04:47:01 AM »

Almost all fighters had armor around cockpit and fuel tanks quite early on, quite a few had armor around their weapons aswell.

The (mostly) mid/late war fighters eno****ered in AH MA were armored.

simshell · « **Reply #10 on:** April 14, 2004, 09:32:40 AM »

did the early spitfires have less or more armor

if it had less then the spit1 should be alot weaker then the spit9

OIO · « **Reply #11 on:** April 14, 2004, 07:43:35 PM »

the .303's are deadly.. just at d100 at convergence and if you have 6 or 8 of them.

late war fighters have more armor and are made of metal for the most part.

early war planes were made of fabric and wood, little armor.

GScholz · « **Reply #12 on:** April 18, 2004, 07:28:13 AM »

A .50 cal round will not go through an engine block. It can however crack the engine block and ruin the engine. The windshield of the 109G is even .50 cal "resistant". Franz Stigler once had a .50 cal round penetrate his 109G-6 windshield armor, but the round had so little energy left it only got "stuck" in his forehead *lol* failing to penetrate his skull. Probably hurt like hell though.

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #13 on:** April 18, 2004, 10:30:40 AM »

Remember, AP stuff is only rated for the first bullet...

Flyboy · « **Reply #14 on:** April 26, 2004, 11:00:38 AM »

i have no problem shooting down planes with the .303cal\ 7.62mm guns