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Offline GRUNHERZ

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« Reply #60 on: April 04, 2004, 01:34:30 AM »
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That's a spurious comparison.  The Bush adminstation knew that the US and British intelligence agencies did not "know" that Iraq had WMD because they told them so.  Yet both countries governments present it otherwise.


Can you prove that CIA went to Bush and said:  THERE ARE NO WMD IN IRAQ, WERE HIGHLY CERTAIN
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Offline Arlo

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« Reply #61 on: April 04, 2004, 01:36:54 AM »
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The Bush adminstation knew that the US and British intelligence agencies did not "know" that Iraq had WMD because they told them so.  Yet both countries governments present it otherwise.


That's a spurious conclusion. :D
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« Reply #62 on: April 04, 2004, 03:11:55 AM »
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That's a spurious comparison.  The Bush adminstation knew that the US and British intelligence agencies did not "know" that Iraq had WMD because they told them so.  Yet both countries governments present it otherwise.


It is not a comparison at all.  It is an illustration on how one can advocate incorrect ideas and still not be a liar.
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« Reply #63 on: April 04, 2004, 03:29:09 AM »
Yes, that may be true.... but...

It is said that many pre-Columbian navigators thought the world flat and professed that idea.

Erhm... So there?
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« Reply #64 on: April 04, 2004, 03:31:45 AM »
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Iraq protested the no-fly zones and their legality in the UN multiple times. The UN never once instructed the U.S. or Great Britain to discontinue them. And their decision not to is an implicit acknowledgement of it's legality.

Nice try. I suggest a different tact other than that tried by the Iraqi Minister of "Information." :D


Ever looked at the list of the security counseil members ?

Do you seriously think the Iraqi got the smallest  chance to defend their point of view ?


@_Schadenfreude_ : I seriously think that Lazs live on another planet ...
a planet were the governements are altruists ...
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Offline Holden McGroin

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« Reply #65 on: April 04, 2004, 03:38:02 AM »
Don't get caught up in the illustration Nash, I could illustrate it by showing that an incorrect answer on your kids math test is just wrong, it is not a lie.
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« Reply #66 on: April 04, 2004, 03:58:50 AM »
What I find funny is the idea that the UN is some sort of uber supreme body, repleat with their own independant spys, satelites, and wotev.

No.

If the US comes at them and tells them there's this mobile chem lab at X,Y... how the shreck is, say, Nigeria supposed to respond?

"Excuse me sir mister Powell but our thermal dihadrative expulcative geigermeisters show no such weapons".

Not so much. No... Their decision making has to come from something..... some data.

Where did they get this data? Yes.... you guessed it.

Now yas want to blame them for believing it.

Er wait! They didn't!

They sent their own inspectors in there to see for themselves...

Couldn't find nuthin'. Said so.

Uhm.... but....  those inspectors got yanked due to the long awaited shawk and ah. It was imperative, you see. 45 minutes. Not a long time. For an Iraqi missle. End of Western civilization. Advanced technology and all.

Gawdamned UN...
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« Reply #67 on: April 04, 2004, 04:14:44 AM »
So I take it the French, Russian, and Chinese intelligence agencies are completely impotent?  

None of these agencies wanted to show the CIA and British Intel got it wrong?

Seems there was a legal finding in the UK about 'sexed up' intelligence that was in favor of British intel and against the BBC.

A year and a half ago indications were different from what we know today and I have yet to see any pre war quote from say, for instance, the Swiss, which says Bush's assertions were 180 degrees wrong.  The pre war argument was about how to get Hussein to agree to UN disarmament regimen.
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« Reply #68 on: April 04, 2004, 04:27:53 AM »
"So I take it the French, Russian, and Chinese intelligence agencies are completely impotent?"

Funny you should say that. The French, Chinese, and Russians were against this.

So yeah, they kind of DID say that something's wrong.

Er.... am I misunderstanding you?

"The pre war argument was about how to get Hussein to agree to UN disarmament regimen.

Depends on whose so-called argument you want to follow. There were a few of them. ;)

The UN's was to have a look-see for themselves. The US told 'em to get their arses out of there... no time for games.... 45 minutes...

uhm... yeah.
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« Reply #69 on: April 04, 2004, 04:56:29 AM »
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What I find funny is the idea that the UN is some sort of uber supreme body  


I find that notion funny too. :D
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« Reply #70 on: April 04, 2004, 05:12:27 AM »
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"So I take it the French, Russian, and Chinese intelligence agencies are completely impotent?"

Funny you should say that. The French, Chinese, and Russians were against this.


I chose those nations as examples carefully.

What they were against is letting the clock run out on sanctions and inspections.  What they were against was the military option at that time.

The French, Chinese, and Russians voted for 1441.  They agreed with the basic premise that Iraq was not acquiescing to UN mandates and WMD's were a part of those.  Those three nations never said that Iraq was WMD free.
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« Reply #71 on: April 04, 2004, 05:49:14 AM »
If they said: "We went to Iraq because we felt like it...and we don`t give a damn what You think about it!" it`d be just fine with me. There`s some other countries I`d like to see the US go in and do some cleaning up..
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« Reply #72 on: April 04, 2004, 05:53:55 AM »
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If they said: "We went to Iraq because we felt like it...and we don`t give a damn what You think about it!" it`d be just fine with me. There`s some other countries I`d like to see the US go in and do some cleaning up..


You know thats not possible. :)
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« Reply #73 on: April 04, 2004, 06:00:55 AM »
I know, I know...
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« Reply #74 on: April 04, 2004, 07:08:52 AM »
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Ever looked at the list of the security counseil members ?

Do you seriously think the Iraqi got the smallest  chance to defend their point of view ?


@_Schadenfreude_ : I seriously think that Lazs live on another planet ...
a planet were the governements are altruists ...
:rolleyes:


It's a worldwide conspiracy, I tell ya! :D
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