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Offline Capt. Pork

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« Reply #15 on: April 03, 2004, 02:41:36 PM »
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Oh, get off your high horses. You deride the nature of a decorated veteran's service simply because you don't like his politics.


High Horse? How the hell do you get that I'm speaking from a morally elevated position by saying that he's full of it.  Unlike him, I have respect for people that risk their lives in the service of their country, whether they get injured in the process or not. Has he done more military service than myself? Yes. But to walk around with his chin high, accepting some sort of Hero Status is a sanctimonious, shameful appeal for publicity.

He's not just a plain and simple Veteran. He's a candidate for the presidency of MY country. The guy that's going to make huge decisions regarding the use of my tax dollars. I have every right to scrutinize his claims.

You know, it's ironic. I had two great uncles in the Red army who served for the duration of WWII, beginning to end. Anatoly and Nusin. One of them wasn't even issued a proper rifle when he saw his first day of action. One of them, who'd started the war as a 17 year old kid, was there the day Berlin fell. They both eventually moved to the states, as old men, and I got to see them very often and know them very well. Anatoly has never said a word to me about the war, so I had to get my stories from his wife and his son. One night about two years ago, Nusin sat down with me and talked for three hours about his experiences, until he got too tired and had to go lay down. My dad, who'd been in the room with us when he was talking, said to me later that he'd never heard him speak of the war prior to that night. Not once. That was the last time I ever saw Nusin. He died of cancer three weeks later.

Both men lived long lives after the war. Both heard requests for tales of glory and honor and sacrifice from the younger generations. Neither said a damned thing, with the exception of the one night where the man knew it was the last time anybody would ask him that question. The things he told me came with difficulty, and with tears.

Kerry is not cut from the same cloth.

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« Reply #16 on: April 03, 2004, 02:58:32 PM »
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Kerry is not cut from the same cloth.


How would you know?

You were not there.
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« Reply #17 on: April 03, 2004, 03:09:37 PM »
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How would you know?

You were not there.


Seems to me he went home on a technicality, having suffered 'wounds' that cost him an average of 3/2 of a day in the hospital each.

Compare that with a guy that suffered a shrapnal wound that stunted the growth of one of his legs, leaving a inch in a half disparity between the right and the left by the time he was done growing, and STILL went back to recieve two more, less severe wounds, I'd say I'm fairly certain.

I'm also fairly certain that it's cold on the moon.

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« Reply #18 on: April 03, 2004, 03:17:14 PM »
Compare that with a guy that went AWOL.

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« Reply #19 on: April 03, 2004, 03:21:42 PM »
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Compare that with a guy that went AWOL.


Does he brag about it and use it as a method to relate to his voters?

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« Reply #20 on: April 03, 2004, 03:22:48 PM »
Some of you really can't seem to grasp the concept of irony.

At least Kerry has a war record.  Mr Connelly the letter writer clearly hasn't even seen combat. Frankly if I was a Vietnam veteran I would  find that letter insulting.  Read any biography of a combat soldier or sailor in Vietnam and you will find that they were in combat almost daily for their tour.  Day after day. Anyone who was hit three times in combat however minor was seeing a lot of action.

I would recommend the following books for those of you who think Vietnam was some kind of cakewalk. Nam - Mark Baker, If I die in a combat zone - Tim O'Brien, Low level hell -Hugh Mills, Welcome to Vietnam macho man - Ernest Spencer.

Get off your high horse Nuke. After reading those books if you still think you wouldn't do ANYTHING to get out of combat in Vietnam then you're crazy! That 'cupcake' was hit three times in combat. It was his ticket out of there and he took it. Any sane man would.

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Kerry then gets home and testifies falsley before congress that it was the norm for US army to kill, torture, maime and rape the Vietnamese.
 

It may not have been the norm but it happened. Many veterans said as much and it's well documented.  You can of course live in denial if you like.

Bush may or may not win the election but it won't be a landslide. It's clear you fear Kerry and attacking his war record is over compensation for Bush's lack of one.  That is irony.

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« Reply #21 on: April 03, 2004, 03:29:01 PM »
Couldn't have said it better, cpxxx.


Pork: Lets put that aside.  Bush went AWOL, Kerry went to Nam.  Kerry is the obvious coward and traitor here.

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« Reply #22 on: April 03, 2004, 03:33:41 PM »
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Does he brag about it and use it as a method to relate to his voters?

LOL, who would brag about it?
Seems some would rather hide the facts and sweep it under the rug.
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From the patterns seen here, it seems most of you Bush supporters would be tripping over yourselves in your support of
Kerry had he been a Republican instead. Had Bush been a Democrat, you'd be vilifying him as if he were the Anti-Christ.....
all based on service record. Talk about spin:eek:
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« Reply #23 on: April 03, 2004, 03:40:34 PM »
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Some of you really can't seem to grasp the concept of irony.

At least Kerry has a war record.  Mr Connelly the letter writer clearly hasn't even seen combat. Frankly if I was a Vietnam veteran I would  find that letter insulting.  Read any biography of a combat soldier or sailor in Vietnam and you will find that they were in combat almost daily for their tour.  Day after day. Anyone who was hit three times in combat however minor was seeing a lot of action.

I would recommend the following books for those of you who think Vietnam was some kind of cakewalk. Nam - Mark Baker, If I die in a combat zone - Tim O'Brien, Low level hell -Hugh Mills, Welcome to Vietnam macho man - Ernest Spencer.

Get off your high horse Nuke. After reading those books if you still think you wouldn't do ANYTHING to get out of combat in Vietnam then you're crazy! That 'cupcake' was hit three times in combat. It was his ticket out of there and he took it. Any sane man would.

 

It may not have been the norm but it happened. Many veterans said as much and it's well documented.  You can of course live in denial if you like.

Bush may or may not win the election but it won't be a landslide. It's clear you fear Kerry and attacking his war record is over compensation for Bush's lack of one.  That is irony.


Nice deflection of the issue, which John Kerry, not me.

You assume a lot

1. nobody ever said Vietnam was a cakewalk

2. You assume everyone in Vietnam would do "anything" to get out

3.Kerry was in Action for 4 months, then testfied that it was  the norm rather than the exception for U.S. troops to tortue and slaughter civilians. He is a liar.

4. Kerry was "hit 3 times in combat" so severely that he missed a total of 2 days in action. He refuses to say how he was wounded. I would have to use my brain and assume his wounds in no way prevented him from performing his duties.

4. John Kerry is the one bringing the issue to the public. John Kerry is the one making it a political tool...... only thing is, he seems to have made a big mistake, since he is not a hero of any sort.

And Im sure you have heard that John Kerry was part of a group and attended a meeting in which a vote was taken on weather or not to assinate US congressmen. Kerry was present when a conspiracy to commit murder was being plotted, yet he warned nobody.

Kerry said he never attanded that meeting....... that is he said that until it was pointed out to him that the FBI was there too and listed John Kerry as being present.

This guy is a disgrace to my country. He is a lying, two faced socialist and not much he says can be trusted as the truth.
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« Reply #24 on: April 03, 2004, 03:40:50 PM »
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Couldn't have said it better, cpxxx.


Pork: Lets put that aside.  Bush went AWOL, Kerry went to Nam.  Kerry is the obvious coward and traitor here.


I don't doubt that you couldn't have said it better, Hawker.

I never called him a traitor. I just said that compared to the guys he was fighting alongside, he's no hero. I don't like him primarily for other reasons, but his use of his four months in combat as a way to get into the hearts of voters is not honorable, in my opinion, and makes me like him less.

cpxxx, I've actually read the O'Brien book, along with a bunch of others by him. A great writer, I think. I also saw 'We Were Soldiers', perhaps the most harrowing war movie I've ever seen. Yeah, vietnam was no cake walk, but what major conflict in the 20th century was? And how does being 'hit' 3 times result in two days off active duty? Was he hit by a sound wave? A bad sinus headache?

My original point, again, for those of you who will respond with sarcasm and Bush Bashing, is that Kerry's 'war hero status' is not what the popular opinion of it seems to be, and is no reason to vote for him. Conversely, if you vote against Bush because of his lack of a service record, I will have no arguement with you, because at least that's valid reasoning.

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« Reply #25 on: April 03, 2004, 03:59:16 PM »
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Kerry was "hit 3 times in combat" so severely that he missed a total of 2 days in action.


Seems like he's getting blamed because the bullets and shrapnel didn't land a couple of inches higher and a few inches to the left.

I thought being in combat and getting shot at is enough of a thing in itself. Is there a list out there somewhere that denotes wounds worthy of respect? Maybe he should have painted a bullseye on his forehead. Yeah, he just wasn't trying hard enough to die... that's it.

edit. Hit 3 times. Missed two days. And this is somehow bad? Ya make it sound like he used those injuries to spend some serious time at Club Med. Missed two days.
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« Reply #26 on: April 03, 2004, 04:03:44 PM »
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Seems like he's getting blamed because the bullets and shrapnel didn't land a couple of inches higher and a few inches to the left.

I thought being in combat and getting shot at is enough of a thing in itself. Is there a list out there somewhere that denotes wounds worthy of respect? Maybe he should have painted a bullseye on his forehead. Yeah, he just wasn't trying hard enough to die... that's it.


Well, I guess techically if he was hit by a wet noodle in combat and got a bruise, he could have put in for a purple heart too.

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« Reply #27 on: April 03, 2004, 04:06:13 PM »
I didn't know the North Vietnamese were using wet noodles.

You're right.

Kerry - hit 3 times. Missed two days. What a pansy!

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« Reply #28 on: April 03, 2004, 04:13:14 PM »
I would've taken at least 6 bullets for a one hour break.

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« Reply #29 on: April 03, 2004, 04:18:26 PM »
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I didn't know the North Vietnamese were using wet noodles.

You're right.

Kerry - hit 3 times. Missed two days. What a pansy!


lol!

to clarify: Kerry was "wounded" 3 seperate times over a period of 4 months. He missed a total of 2 days from his last injury, previous 2 were so minor as to not require he miss any time in action. He was never shot that I'm aware of.

I just question what constitues a purple heart. Did he bump his head and get a bruise? Did he stub his toe?

Maybe every single person in the armed forces that see's combat and sustains even the most minor injury should receive a purple heart too. I'm all for it.