HT, PLEASE, put an HA up

[R4M]

We've assisted this week to very good pilots leaving AH because "it was not fun anymore". I'm not in the brain of those who have left, but I think I understand them.

The MA sucks. I know its not a very good way to say it, but I'm sincere, It sucks. The immersion factor is nil, the A2A tactics used are most of the time just HO-and-run, the kill stealing...endless reasons.

Many people are getting bored, and I know that lots of people are staying here because there is no REAL competition out there. WWIIOL is just about to be released, and TK is developing at a very good pace, so that soon will change. I dont think that keeping the player base just because WBs is no real competitor is a very good thing for AH, because when the new sims hit the streets, all those who are bored will leave. Maybe to return after finding out that the new sims are worse...but what if they are not...?. Then,probably, they will be gone forever.

That is why I -Sincerely- ask HTC to create an HA with a RPS comprising the years from 1942-1945, adecuate for the planes we have in AH. (and go backwards as new planes are included). With short range enemy icons, so enemy icons only show under 3K. With limited six views (no "Customization" of the 5-6-7 o clock views accepted) so surprise attacks are possible. With axis/allied, 2 countries. With (if its possible) better engine management. With increased sun blinding effects.With realistic navy acks. With no range information in the enemy icons under 1K. And with a "penalty" time of 5 minutes in tower if you are killed, so there is, if any, at least the slighest fear for death.  

THAT would make AH way more inmersive, and I am sure that will bring back lots of hardcore lovers who have left because the MA is a such dweebish, no-skill, unrealistic, vulcherplace that in the end bores some of the best pilots around to the point to have to leave because they dont have fun anymore.

Please...I think its the best time to do it.

BTW, hasqueak, wilbus, Kirin......I'll miss ya  

[Fatty]

You only want Allies to be able to capture fields?

[SeaWulfe]

THAT would make AH way more inmersive, and I am sure that will bring back lots of hardcore lovers who have left because the MA is a such dweebish, no-skill, unrealistic, vulcherplace that in the end bores some of the best pilots around to the point to have to leave because they dont have fun anymore.

Really.... Anyone have the jaws of life? We need to remove RAM's head from his ass.
-SW

[R4M]

Well, until a Sherman, a Sdfkz 250 with a single 20mm AA gun, another Sdfkz with a MG34 of 7.64mm and a Ju52 are modelled, I would let the M16, M3, Panzer IV and C47 as common planes for everyone...

[Ripsnort]

Pilots usually leave for reasons other than actually stated, ie. they'll make up an excuse of something that really peeve's them, then leave on that basis alone, when in acutality, it might be several things that determined one to press that delete account button.  Of course you or I will never know, since the will to change one aspect of the game is stronger than one's honesty to ones self.

I do agree that we need some type of alternative, however, I don't recall seeing you in alot of the historical events we have weekly, Ram, what makes you think you'd enjoy  a HA if you are not attending our Check six/Snap shots?

[Fatty]

So, you want a HA but with some crossovers.

You don't want vultching, but want novice players to be easier to bounce.  And time penalty for dying.

You've got the makings of an arena to be jam packed with oh, half a dozen people.  Maybe more.  You already have an arena capable of supporting this (except locked 6 views), you can set it up in H2H (increase fuel consumption to increase importance of engine management).

[R4M]

Rip, I dont get into the snapshots/check six because their time schedule and my real life are completely incompatible. My online time is **VERY** limited and very few times I can get online coincide with the events. Oh, and I have to admit that, as my interest in the PTO air war is very limited, I rarely assist to those events (In fact I think I only do it when I go into events organized by the Japanese players)

 Rest assured, everytime I can log in for one of the ETO scenarios, I do it, and as I said before, I have assisted to some of the Japanese player-made scenarios aswell.

But go figure how is the problem that to assist to Hostile Shores I was forced to do real acrobatics, because the time was SO bad for me. Indeed last frame I could not made it (and I was REALLY wanting to get in to get some more kills).

 

So, you want a HA but with some crossovers

No,I would like an HA with no crossovers, but as the planes and vehicles to accomplish certain missions are not modelled yet for one of the sides, or the other, it can be solved by temporally making those planes/vehicles available for both sides. It would be or doing that, or not doing anything like an HA for now,at all. So I'd go for the first.

In any case, frankly I dont care if I have to destroy a Panzer in my Fw190F8, because the difference between flying attack missions against a Pz IV or a Sherman would be minimal. What it is not minimal is to have to fly against 109s in my 190A5, or against 190D9s in my 109G10. (Or P47s in a P51, etc).

Fatty: why dont give it a try?. How can you be so sure that it will be a failure?...but if your alternative to get an HA is to go H2H...    

oh, well



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[SKurj]

It won't be a success based on your suggestions R4M.  5 minute penalty... come on.. everyone will take off from back fields fly 25 mins and the dead ... well they just say fek it and go to the MA +)

Salvo

[Ripsnort]

Ram, just looking at this from a business aspect (Remember, I support alternative arenas)..but...if one was to do a HA, you'd have to have both PTO and ETO to be fair, or at least alternating them month to month.  You'd also have to have a data base of players such as AW had years ago, meaning ALOT of flyers.  Today we have roughly 150 online week-nights, 200+ week ends, when the CM's call for the historic scenario's, we get *maybe* 30 in there, about 12%...until this number picks up, I doubt HTC would make a concession....who knows!

[Fatty]

My point is we don't have the planeset for a dedicated historical arena yet, much less vehicle set.  We have what are in effect weekly trials of the HA model, but they don't have the following at least to this point that would justify a dedicated arena.

The bright side is you do have the ability to run your own version with any map, whatever planeset you want to enable, whatever arena settings you want, whatever icon settings you want, and whatever radar settings you want, at any time in H2H.  When we see more of those popping up I'll believe we're ready for a dedicated HA.

[Eagler]

some of you are worse than my kids. Give me, give me, give me...
Best patch isn't a week old and some are crying for more, more, more. Like a HA would make them happy. Heck, just give the whiners two arena's to bellyache about..

be happy with what you have

Eagler

[R4M]

ya, Rip, I see your point but that has an easy solution... put an HA with both PTO and ETO planesets for both sides, and you got the problem solved   .

 The immersion will suffer a bit (well, winging a Ki61 in my Fw190A5 is not what I call something "realistic"), but at least you will -always- fly agaisnt your plane's historical counter parts. And what I really want of an HA is much more realistic settings than currently in the MA, so mixing up PTO and ETO planes wont hurt what I want too much.

About the numbers, the problem is that I fear what will happen when WWIIOL hits the streets. There are lots of flamewars about if it is going to suck or not, but some people will leave AH to try it out (prolly I will be in that group, as I can barely pay AH's monthly rate, I can't afford getting WWIIOL and flying AH the ssame month), and if they like it many of them may not return.

And then TK will hit the streets too...have you read the boards?. It is a hardcore sim lover's dream, made truth...I love AH and it has my preferences over any other product, but if other product offers what I really want, what can I do?...what will do the other fanatics of hardcore realism in AH?...

with an HA with way more realistic settings, at least we have an alternative, as it is now ...   not, and that is what I fear and that is why I yell for the implementation of an HA.

Fatty, most H2Hs are run by people with no accounts. Those people just want to hit the trigger and kill planes fast in FFAs. I have been in some allies/axis sides H2Hs and have been REALLY fun ( I remember Snoopy's H2Hs...those were the best I've ever had).

I think it would work...and I think there is much more to lose by not trying it than trying it...but after all is true, what do I know?

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[Staga]

No wonder people won't post proposes if this is what you get. Then you wonder why crowd in AH has a somekind of reputation.

[buhdman]

 

Originally posted by R4M:

With limited six views (no "Customization" of the 5-6-7 o clock views accepted) so surprise attacks are possible.

I'm all for a Historical Arena (especially with the cool European map floating around), but I am firmly against restricted 6-views.  I've flown in HAs before where icons are reduced drastically, and that's enough pucker power for me.  You get busy doing something important (e.g., flying formation, selecting weapons, dogfighting) and there are plenty of opportunities for good surprise bounces, believe me.

Let's do and HA -- PLEASE!

Buhdman, out

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[Pongo]

Birdy told me there were 220 people in the MA last night.
Congrats HTC...Heading for 250