HT, PLEASE, put an HA up

[Otter]

Such a sad child you are...he expressed an opinion and you engaged your typing fingers which seem to be directly wired to your medula oblongata before engaging the cereberal cortex and attacked him with no more civil discourse than Al Sharpton at a Democratic fundraiser.

He should expect an apology from you, but I doubt you are capable of it, seeing as how personal attack is your consistent pattern on this bbs.

Don't expect me to feel any sympathy for you love muffin if you won't even express why you disagree with someone before you attack.

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Otter

[minus]

i em for HA the MA holywood stile  i dont like if i play  it becose no HA

 Ht pyro and Co made the WB  wb was great they put ap Ha it worked well


 so why a hell we cant have a HA in AH ?
 

[R4M]

 

Originally posted by Otter:
Such a sad child you are...he expressed an opinion and you engaged your typing fingers which seem to be directly wired to your medula oblongata before engaging the cereberal cortex and attacked him with no more civil discourse than Al Sharpton at a Democratic fundraiser.

He should expect an apology from you, but I doubt you are capable of it, seeing as how personal attack is your consistent pattern on this bbs.

Don't expect me to feel any sympathy for you love muffin if you won't even express why you disagree with someone before you attack.

Otter,an apology? from him? for doing the only thing he knows to do? (be an prettythang and insulting anyone who has the --slighest-- minor difference of opinion with him)

I would expect more that the sky turns green, or the ice melts at 50ºC, than to reveive an apology from him.

 

Oh I'm supposed to respect your opinion when you essentially called everyone who enjoys the MA a... well hell I can just cut n paste what you said... "dweebish, no-skill, unrealistic, vulcherplace that in the end bores some of the best pilots around to the point to have to leave because they dont have fun anymore"

So we're all dweebs, no skill vulchers that are some of the worst "pilots" around because we have fun in the MA.

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Today's community of AH is full of people who has just came here from Air Warrior. I could quote what the people of AH has said about AW this last year and a half. Things like "that crappy sim", "the sim full of dweebs", etc etc etc.

 So now if I was like you, I could start accusing the people who was saying that of calling "crappy people", "dweebs" to the people who was flying AW.

 So, if I was you, now I would call all those "critics" of AW what you just have called me. But I would be as full of toejam as you are if I did that, because that an arena is worse or better has nothing with the people is there but with the ENVIRONMENT of the Arena itself, how is set and the gameplay concessions done.

 The MA is heavily biased towards an nonstop A2A furball wich usually degenerates into a vulching fest, with 190s fighting 109s, niks fighting zeros, P51s fighting Spitfires, etc.

I would call the AH MA anything but "immersive".

So, Seawulfe, you are full of toejam. Why? because regardless that the MA is what it is today, that doesnt mean that all the people there are no-skill dweebs. The MA IS a vulcherplace. The MA IS full of no-skill dweeby tactics. The MA IS boring for some of us. The MA is THAT WAY because it is designed like it is, and so, and as I (between others) dont like it very much, I ask an HA where I can feel something like immersion. an HA would solve much of that feeling with historical matchups,2 countries, RPS, realistic settings and less MA gameplay concessions.

 SO if you dont like me saying what I think, you can get your disgust and put it in a place I could tell yah. Because your affirmation that because I say that the AH MA is a vulcher place where dweebish tactics rule, I'm calling you a dweeb, is even more full of crap than you.

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[This message has been edited by R4M (edited 06-02-2001).]

[lazs]

ram... look at the people who are quiting.  You say you have flown all types of planes this tour and.... you also are not quitting.  go ahead... have a seperate HA arena.  I believe that they are boring in the extreme with no variety and very little skill simply a repetition of a couple of worn out moves.  They are never "historical" in any way except possibly plane set.   There are no missions or... the mainstay of "historical" air combat, the  finger four.   to compound this idiocy... the planesets are allways lopsided except for possibly the BOB era.  Most times you have German planes flying with jap planes to flesh out the sets.   Who wants to duplicate the utter dominance of 190's in '42?   How fun is that?   sure... you could add the 51A but then everyone would be in 51a's and 190's.   How Historical is that?   Everyone flying D9's toward the end?   real "imersive" eh? Sure, there may be 60-200 guys that want an HA but they are scattered all over the world.   different time zones would make 200 in the MA and 12-20 in the HA during prime time, less, when the planesets were at their most lopsided...Kid yourself about why you want an HA but leave me out of it.
lazs

[R4M]

I'm not quitting because I am darned addicted to online flight sims and there is none out there wich offers more than AH for now. But if WWIIOL ends being what they promise it will be, or TK is half the realistic as it seems it will be, that will change in the future. I look forward to a sim wich gives me the feeling of "being there" 24/7.

 AH could well be that sim with a proper HA, because it has all the ingredients; from a great group of men and women developing it, to a very nice base to work with from the start (currently a 1942-1945 RPS is PERFECTLY possible for an HA, with some exceptions -tanks, SP AAA and C47s-.

But sadly seems it wont be that way and that in the foreseeable future there will be no AH. WWIIOL is about to be launched, we'll see. and TK will be soon there, and I'm sure that there will be arenas set by hosts for pure hardcore lovers without gameplay concessions. I DARNED wish to stay in AH, but if I have to go to find what I am looking for, I'll have to go. But at least I wont go without trying to get it here.

I've tried two times to quit AH and I've failed miserably in both because I missed the feeling of flying with hundreds of people online. After less than 2 weeks I had withdrawals of that feeling,so I had to return.

I have now 2 options to choose between: WBs, or AH.
 And as flying none of both is not an option right now, I have to go with the second.

From there, and to be fully satisfied, there are light years of separation, so get yer things straight.

BTW I flew non-LW iron for a change, to see if I had some fun with something else. It didnt work. So I guess its not the planes, but the environment.

[edit]ah, lazs, noone asked you to join the HA...you will have your MA perfectly set for you[/edit]

[This message has been edited by R4M (edited 06-02-2001).]

[zapkin]

[ 08-07-2001: Message edited by: zapkin ]

[MrSiD]

Just for the sake of argument..

When I made the poll about the HA, about 70 people said yes. 2 or 3 said no way.. Is that what we call the loud minority?

Secondly, in that *cough* other sim, when a reasonably built WW2 arena was introduced (rps, axis vs allied, reduced icons) it left the main arena _and_ historic arena empty. 95% of players were really enthusiastic about it, rest squeaked a while and then left.

I'd say that generally players were left satisfied anyway.

Wouldn't it be possible to make a test over a few days, set up the HA alongside of the main arena. In HA you would have the axis vs allied planeset (even with no RPS since AH has very few early birds..), _reduced icons_ and no inflight dar, but full dot dar at tower?

During those few days we'd soon see what the trend will be and where people WANT to spend their time. If it sucks to most ppl, they'll stop joining it after a day or two. If they like it, numbers will stay high.

I'm pretty sure the SEA could easily be converted temporarily into an open HA.

[SeaWulfe]

Whatever RAM, and no I don't have to apologize, no matter what you think.

You gave an opinion about something I like, and I told you that you had your head up your ass.

Why should I go back on it? "Dweeb ACM"? Really? Do you KNOW what in the hell you are talking about? No, you don't.

I've been playing online games since '95, never have I seen such a regressive person. "They don't play my way, they must be dweebs and have no skill" Really, get your head out of your ass. You'll find more guys that can outfly you with both of their eyes closed in the MA than you could ever imagine (apparently, you are having a hard enough time seeing the forest for the trees) and you decide, knowing how clean your past is, that you have the priveledge to label anyone or anything?

Maybe if you could offer up an idea without adding in your 2 cent drivel, worthless opinion of what you think about the current people and arena- then maybe, JUST MAYBE... I dunno I'm going out on a limb here.. you might actually get more support. But you threw in your typical whine, squeak and complaint that is typical of you just to "support" your self proclaimed facts of what is better or "more immersive" or "more realistic"... whatever the hell the new catch phrase is for something that you believe emulates a war being represented by pixels.

Crawl back into your hole with Otter, you two make a real cute couple. Neither of you have any idea what they are talking about, and neither of you have any inclination to understand what I am talking about.
-SW

[This message has been edited by SeaWulfe (edited 06-02-2001).]

[Nifty]

It's always the same ones flaming each other.  Amazing how it makes it seem like the whole board is ablaze with attacking posts!  

The HA would be a very fun thing, however it's not time for it.  When there are 190 people in the MA and only 20-30 in a special event, then obviously most people playing at that time prefer the MA over the Axis-Allied scenario.  Either that or they just don't know what scenarios are, or are just too timid to go try it out.  Also, maybe they just aren't interested in THAT particular scenario at the time.  I wasn't interested in doing the Yamamoto snapshot, e.g.  When we start seeing 50+ people leave the MA for the events, then maybe we're starting to see a real interest in historical matchups.

Now, as to the point of the people who can't make the scenarios, I agree on that.  They're held at very awkward times for anyone but US players.  10pm ET on a friday is damn early saturday morning for Euro players, and I don't have a clue what it is for the Asian players, maybe Saturday afternoon?  3pm ET on the weekend afternoons is late evening for the Euro people, who probably want to have a life outside of gaming and go out and do RL things.  It's probably in the middle of the night for Asians.  Anyways, my point is maybe try running replays of the events on the same day.  Run it twice, one at 1500 GMT and then again at the 3pm ET.  If there's enough support, run it a 3rd time (a first time actually) in the afternoon of Asian times.  It's just a suggestion to help out those who say the events happen at bad times for them.

[DocFalconer1]

Once again, let me tell you an idea that is in the middle of the road.  Make each country have a goon, a fighter, an attack plane, a jabo, and a heavy bomber, then change the arena to the style in FA.  There'll be an infrastructure (trains, truck convoys, rail stations, railways) to attack for those who love mudmoving.  As long as there's air, there'll be dogfights.  Add more factories that are capturable.  Make server-controlled tank attacks.  Add small towns to the map.  And if a certain percent of a town, airfield, railstation, or factory is destroyed (including structures and not acks), then a server controlled tank attack is started.  Or just level the field acks and send in a goon.  

Divide the arena into 6 countries:

U.S.
Great Britain
U.S.S.R.
Japan
Germany
Italy

You'd only be able to fly planes of a certain nationality, depending upon the country you are playing for--eliminating spit vs. spit fights and niki vs. zeke fights.  

So just convert the MA into an arena that will satisfy HA-goers and MA-goers: one similar to the arena in FA--and it won't be Axis vs. Allies--it'll be country vs. country.


[This message has been edited by DocFalconer1 (edited 06-04-2001).]

[-ammo-]

well the Snapshots and the check6 events were good again this past weekend. I attended 2 of them. However the attendance for the snapshots were measely..what a shame that when the idea of an HA gets so hotly disputed and so much energy expended over ti and the attendance for the only working historical scenarios is soo pitiful.

Hipocrits

[SeaWulfe]

 

Originally posted by -ammo-:

Hipocrits

Yes they are.
-SW

[lazs1]

here are the problems with an HA... first, except for plansets there is nothing "historical" about it, no one flys historicaly in any arena I have ever seen.

second.. they divide people.   Squads that don't all want to fly the same plane will be split.

third.. they are boring.   WWII air combat was boring except that it was serious business.   everyone was in the same planes and everyone used the same tactics.   Runnig into something new was a bad thing cause your life depended on it...I love history but I can read it.. I don't like to attempt to re-create it in such a blasphemous way.   Anyone who is "immersed" in an HA is either totally lacking in imagination or knowledge of history or both.

fourth... no gameplay.  except for very thin slices of the RPS there is no parity.  One sides planes allways have an advantage over the others.   If you try to balance out the planesets it begins to become silly with jap and german planes flying together or the sky full of D9's even though only a couple hundred ever got airborne.  every FM or gunnery feature is suspect and viewed as a cheat by the other side.

There are many more reasons but boredom, lack of parity and poor gameplay are the main ones with an overall divisiveness that put's people into an even bigger rut than the MA

Sure, run one allongside the MA but why not just go to WB's?    There are a few slices of their RPS that are fun but it just wasn't worth it to me.  One side allways had an "uber plane" and the other side just had to lump it.   I recall seeing numbers like 100 on one side and 30 on the other.   I think HTC is smart in not dividing up the people.  There are some who will never be happy unless they can "feel" like they are a WWII pilot.  Which means... they will never be happy but.. they will make it misserable for everyone else along the way.   The closer we get to an HA.... the less fun we will have.
lazs

[Fangio]

No HA is why I dont play AH.   Period.

I really dont understand why so many of you are violently opposed to having another arena option opened up? If you dont like, dont fly in it.

Fang
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