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Offline Nilsen

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« on: April 05, 2004, 07:48:41 AM »
I have been offered this pc for almost nothing... i didnt think i was gonna buy a windows box again, but the offer is to tempting (no..it is not stolen :D )

Intel CELERON 2.8 ghz *sigh*
256mb 333 ddr ram
40gb hdd 7200
dvd/cdrw combo
on board 64mb graphics and soundcard but free agp slot

It is a brand new packard bell PB IMEDIA1815 puter and i can buy it of someone who got it for his bd but wants to sell it to me for 100$ because he is getting an ibook.

question:

how far up the videocard ladder can i go before the rest of the puter becomes the bottleneck (would a 9600xt be fine) and most important...would it run AH2 at 1280*1024 res with ease? oh.. and im getting 256mb extra ram

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« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2004, 08:12:07 AM »
My thoughts would be buy the thing, put in a faster processor, another 256 od RAM and a 9800 Pro (which is a bargain right now). Or alternatively do it all except the processor and do that later. It is a crap processor though it should be still be plenty for AH2. I hope my XP2000+ machine is anyway, and it will be slower than your Celery though not by much.

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« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2004, 08:22:43 AM »
2.8 ghz is plenty fast IMO.

Buy it, pick up a good 128 mb AGP card  to put in it.

256 mb of ram should be plenty unless your doing high end rendering.  (thinks most people over ram their computers)

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« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2004, 08:31:04 AM »
thx guys. i dont really use windows computers for anything anymore so it would be used only for AH2 and some card games. maybe you are right, and i dont need any more ram.

any idea what the best value for money AGP card atm for AH2 use when im only gonna go as high as 1280*1024? (lcd default is that res so getting card that runs fast at higher res is pointless)

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« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2004, 08:33:17 AM »
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on board 64mb graphics


This is the culprit for not being able to run AHII on the box... A good ATI AGP card is kinda cheap tough...

And if you buy the ATI card then you can easily connect the PC to the TV and thats neat :)
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« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2004, 08:50:53 AM »
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My thoughts would be buy the thing, put in a faster processor, another 256 od RAM and a 9800 Pro (which is a bargain right now). Or alternatively do it all except the processor and do that later. It is a crap processor though it should be still be plenty for AH2. I hope my XP2000+ machine is anyway, and it will be slower than your Celery though not by much.


 Newsflash a 2000+ is much faster than any celeron, but you'll shoult be fine with a 9600, The 9800 would require a bigger power suply & processor.

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« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2004, 08:54:28 AM »
BTW im really happy with my ATI 9600 Pro.... You should be able to find that card very cheap now...
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« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2004, 09:16:38 AM »
9600 Pro or XT should do fine. If you wanna spend less money you can get a 9600 non pro, flash it to pro and OC it, takes a bit more work though.

The bottleneck as I see it (except for being packard bell ) is he CPU.

Sure enough it's 2.8ghz but it's only running 128kbit cach memory, which makes it ALOT slower then P3, P4's, AMD Athlon not to mention AMD 64 bit (1024kbit Cach memory)

It should do all right though, but it's a dangerous thing to "just" look at the CPU core speed. Cach memory is in fact a much more imporant thing.

100 dollars? Buy the damn thing, if it doesn't work with AH2 you can always sell it for 200 or 300.

Ati 9600 should be enough, possibly some more RAM but that RAM is quite cheap.
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« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2004, 09:45:19 AM »
lol, i just checked the price on that celeron and its cost more than a boxed amd 2500xp and close to a 2800 :eek:

intels are not cheap i know that but this is  insane :D

ill buy the box and borrow a 9600 non pro that another friend of mine has just taken out to put in a 9800xt.

if its no good to the finished AH2 ill skip buying the vid card and use it as a fileserver.

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« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2004, 10:34:52 AM »
Nilsen, why do you want the P47N instead of the M? The N is basicly just a P47 with longer range while the M is the real hotrod.

I want the M! :D
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« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2004, 10:52:11 AM »
N has better roll, longer range, carry bombs, better armoured etc and was made in real numbers compared to the M.

It also has better climb and speed than the D and only a little worse than the M

:)

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« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2004, 10:57:23 AM »
"The additional horsepower allowed the N to retain its energy better than the older Thunderbolt. Perhaps the greatest performance increase was in maximum speed. Though not as fast as the stunning P-47M, the heavier N was fully 40 mph faster than the P-47D-25-RE and could generate speeds 30 mph greater than its principal rival, the Mustang. Scorching along at 467 mph @ 32,000 ft., the N could not be caught by any fighter in regular service with any air force on earth with the single exception of its M model sibling. This combination of wing and engine had pushed the N model up to the top rank of the superlative prop driven fighters then in existence."

"1,816 P-47Ns were completed"

"Much to everyone’s surprise, the XP-47N, with its greater wingspan and higher weight actually proved to have better roll performance than the D model. At 250 mph TAS, the N attained a maximum roll rate just over 100 degrees/second. The P-47D-30-RE could manage but 85 degrees/second at the same speed. At higher speeds, the N widened the gap further. In mock combat with a P-47D-25-RE, the new fighter proved to be notably superior in every category of performance. In short, the XP-47 waxed the venerable D model regardless of who was piloting the older fighter. The new wing was part of this newfound dogfighting ability, however, the more powerful C series engine played a role too"

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« Reply #12 on: April 05, 2004, 11:19:35 AM »
while were on the topic what would be the best card for me to go with on a

1.1ghz amd athlon XP
256mb ram
on a epox  8kha+ motherboard (up to 4x agp and 266mhz FSB)

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« Reply #13 on: April 05, 2004, 01:13:06 PM »
Vorticon,

In your shoes I'd either get a cheap (used?) Geforce4-4200 or 4600 for under $80 and wait for the next generation of everything (cpu/mem/mobo/vid), or go with an ATI 9600XT and hold out replacing it as long as possible.  The GF4 cards still push more triangles than anything slower than an nvidia 5700 or ATI 9600, but at half the cost.  You'll lose a little bit of ansio filtering, anti-aliasing, and you'd go without DX9, but none of that really matters all that much with flightsims because framerate is king.

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« Reply #14 on: April 05, 2004, 02:23:55 PM »
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Vorticon,

In your shoes I'd either get a cheap (used?) Geforce4-4200 or 4600 for under $80 and wait for the next generation of everything (cpu/mem/mobo/vid), or go with an ATI 9600XT and hold out replacing it as long as possible.  The GF4 cards still push more triangles than anything slower than an nvidia 5700 or ATI 9600, but at half the cost.  You'll lose a little bit of ansio filtering, anti-aliasing, and you'd go without DX9, but none of that really matters all that much with flightsims because framerate is king.


Do you think the  PNY GeForce FX 5200 128MB DDR PCI Graphics Card or eVGA e-GeForce MX 4000 128MB would be ok?

Thanks

YankCH