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Question about description of German's in WW2?
« on: April 06, 2004, 04:38:00 PM »
Just got back from Munich today.  Last night I saw that they were advertising 'Enemy of the Gates' on German TV.  They advertised it as the Russian hero versus the Nazi's.  This surprised me, are such programmes often described 'versus the Nazi's' rather than 'versus Germany'?  It just appeared that they labelled all German's as Nazi's which obviously isn't entirely true, or is this a normal way of separating the events in WW2 from today?
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Re: Question about description of German's in WW2?
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2004, 04:51:37 PM »
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Just got back from Munich today.  Last night I saw that they were advertising 'Enemy of the Gates' on German TV.  They advertised it as the Russian hero versus the Nazi's.  This surprised me, are such programmes often described 'versus the Nazi's' rather than 'versus Germany'?  It just appeared that they labelled all German's as Nazi's which obviously isn't entirely true, or is this a normal way of separating the events in WW2 from today?


Hi Nexx...hope you're doing well my friend:)

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Question about description of German's in WW2?
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2004, 04:57:20 PM »
I actually posed this question to an exchange student i ended up dating while she was here.  She is from Dresden.  Anyways, from what she said that not all German soldiers were Nazis, the same way that not all american soldiers are republicans.  I got to talk on the telephone to her grandfather who was a Luftwaffe flyer and actually spent time in the U.S. in a prison camp.  Turns out he supported greatly for her to see 'our beautiful country'.  I don't remember exactly where, but he was somewhere in the south, Alabama maybe?  He was returned to Germany after the war to his firebombed city and his family was essentially wiped out.  He married a german girl not long after and their daughter born in 1954 was Franziska's (exchange student) mother.  Anyways...going on and on.

Her thoughts were that she wasn't a Nazi, her parents wern't Nazis and her grandfather did what he was told by his country's leaders (who happened to be the Nazis) in order to defend his home country, which is honorable.  He didn't consider himself a Nazi and did not have a terrible problem with jews.  He adknowledged that most germans, whermacht included, felt they were better people but they also compared a bit of our history to that...pre-civil rights movement bit to be precise.  He said we didn't round up other races and systemacially execute them, and as far as he knew thats as far as it went.  It's hard to understand that not all Germans wanted all the jews killed, and hopefully Revisionist Historians will help that thought process along.

From what they said they look back upon their history and they are not proud of Nazism, fair enough.  They are proud of the fight they made defending their homeland, fair enough.  The Germans have nothing to apologize for in my personal opinion, and they never have.  They fought with honor and I admire the Germans of that generation, but have absolute disgust for Nazis.

If this helps in any way...its all I really know on the subject.

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Question about description of German's in WW2?
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2004, 05:28:09 PM »
Have to agree with Toad. The nazis and the japs all died in the war..they were horrible people. We will talk about them as if they are someone else..or better yet..make the term a prejiduced one..so people cant use it anymore...

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Re: Question about description of German's in WW2?
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2004, 05:30:35 PM »
In propoganda, the German enemy in WW2 was normally personified as 'Hitler' or the 'The Nazis'.

The Japanese ("Japs") however, in total, were usually portrayed as monkeys or apes.

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« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2004, 05:34:35 PM »
I talk to many germans too.

They treat it as like it had never happened.  They even punish those that refer to "Illegal groups."
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« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2004, 05:48:20 PM »
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not all German soldiers were Nazis, the same way that not all american soldiers are republicans.


I think you meant the same way that not all americans are liberals. And btw, not all Nazis were soldiers.
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Question about description of German's in WW2?
« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2004, 05:59:05 PM »
pongo is correct..  all the japs and nazis died in the war.

We know this because not a single person asked after the war was a nazi.

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Re: Re: Question about description of German's in WW2?
« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2004, 05:59:35 PM »
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In propoganda, the German enemy in WW2 was normally personified as 'Hitler' or the 'The Nazis'.

The Japanese ("Japs") however, in total, were usually portrayed as monkeys or apes.


Did the Japanese read those propoganda posters? How did it impact them? Are we to remove what every term the japanese used on thier posters to describe US from the Japanese language?
They would laugh thier heads off if we tried to tell them what words they could or could not use in Japanese.

Dont kid your self. Lots of animal totems where used in propoganda against the Germans and by the Germans and by the japanese I bet too.

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« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2004, 06:05:31 PM »
Interesting, it brings to mind a Book I was reading about a German tanker, the foreward went on and on about how germany has been robed of its heroes of WW2 but revisionist history and anti war sentiment.

I will read it again and post back, I may post the whole foreward, it was interesting and it would be fun to see the Germans on this boards take on it.

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« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2004, 06:20:38 PM »
Funny
Just the other day I browsed through a magazine format book on the La7 by a russian author. The whole preface(10 pages?) was a diatrab about how the war in the east as understood in the west was a total lie. The germans never did so well as they said etc etc etc..
on and on and on.
Never mentioned the la7 once...lol
I wanted to buy it just to post that crap here..

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Re: Re: Re: Question about description of German's in WW2?
« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2004, 06:25:43 PM »
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Dont kid your self.





Good luck finding a U.S. poster that expresses a similar sentiment towards "Germans".
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« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2004, 06:36:53 PM »
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The Japanese ("Japs") however, in total, were usually portrayed as monkeys or apes.


Likewise were Americans in Japanese propaganda, they told their own we ate children, I kid you not.

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« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2004, 06:52:21 PM »
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Good luck finding a U.S. poster that expresses a similar sentiment towards "Germans".


The Germans also didn't begin their war against America by marching a few thousand POWs across Bataan, killing those that fell behind.  That tends to breed a bit of resentment.

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Question about description of German's in WW2?
« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2004, 07:22:28 PM »