US Constitution - 2nd Amendment

[Sandman]

Originally posted by AKIron
You're only strengthening the argument for citizens to own assault weapons.

Hell no. I'm strengthening the argument for citizens to own howitzers.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
Yes, Vietnam.

Not a good example. Many will argue that the "superior force" was not applied and that war was winnable.

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by AKIron
However, if a candidate had taken taken unlawful control of the election and influenced the Supreme Court to violate our Constitution I'd be demanding justice.

There are some very credible people who think that this already happened.

[CyranoAH]

You don't have to own missiles right now. If you want to overthrow a future evil government, the russian and the french will be more than happy to sell you hi-tech weapons

Daniel

[lazs2]

MT.. maybe but... they are in the extreme minority.

cyrano is correct... all we would have to do is resist long enough for the flow of foriegn hi tech weapons starts.

lazs

[Shuckins]

Know what you mean MT.  Fortunately, the attempt to steal the last presidential election was scuttled by the forces of righteousness.

Regards, Shuckins/Leggern

[vorticon]

so just what is a "tyranical" government? one that passes a law that some people dont like? or maybe one that goes to war against the majority of its citizens will to take out an invisible threat when a real threat is elsewhere? or one that is similar to stalin? is the current canadian government tyranical? after all were bilingual multiculturalist liberals and have been for some time...

[AKIron]

Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Hell no. I'm strengthening the argument for citizens to own howitzers.

I can't imagine a howitzer being called anything but an assault weapon.

Originally posted by midnight Target
There are some very credible people who think that this already happened.

I was beginning to think there weren't any fish in this lake.

[GtoRA2]

Vort
I think most here would agree the point the government because tyrannical is:

1: When the government bans all firearms, and then starts to go house to house arresting people for having them. Hopefully this is the last thing they try and take, but it will be the first.

2: The right to free speech is removed, and the government places its own censors in the newsrooms, and arrest people for anti government speech.

3: The right of freedom so assemble. This one like gun control is on the edge of being infringed on. Some of the reports from places like Florida were people doing nothing wrong including reports were arrested and beaten are a little scary, and I am not some pinko anti government type.

4: the right to be free from unlawful searches and seizures. This one is really being infringed on, hell that article not to long ago about the house that used to much power is a clear case to me that the government, state and Federal are getting out of hand.

 The people here that have said armed citizens will stand no chance in revolution against the US government are wrong. Lazer made a good point in that the Military and Police are made up of the people, and when brothers start having to face each other over the line whole units will desert and join the resistance. One man with a hunting rifle can be a huge pain to a conventional military force, and the second the US government has to deploy troops in the US to stop a real armed uprising is the point they lose because it should be a wake up call to the rest of the people in the country that we have let the government go to far.

 I do not think we are close to this, and I do not think it has to happen.  But they could, and I would rather be armed.

[Torque]

Seems like a ridiculous arguement the need to bare an arm to oppose tyranny in the government, surely didn't play that way out in the south during the 60's. And i can remember when in history a democratic society ever elected a govn't which brought tyrany upon its own people. Now on the other hand democratic societies supporting dictators who bring tranny is quite abundant.

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

Its ridiculous right up to the point you need them because your rights are being trampled on.

All governments have failed in the past, and the typical end run for them was a dictatorship in one form or another.
-SW

[AKIron]

Originally posted by Torque
Seems like a ridiculous arguement the need to bare an arm to oppose tyranny in the government,

I think that our nation's founders and writers of the Constitution would argue that with you.

[lazs2]

so torque... yu are saying that if something hasn't happened yet politically that it is impossiible and  that is a good enough reason to take away peoples rights?

Or, are you saying that no democratic society ever changed into a fascist or communist one ?

or... are you saying that if the govenrnment is not a threat to the people that they do not need to defend themselves from anything else?

lazs

[mosgood]

Originally posted by AKIron
I think that our nation's founders and writers of the Constitution would argue that with you.

Oh!  But everything has changed sinse then.... we are more civilized now and more evolved.  Our founding fathers had to deal with times long gone......  

[mosgood]

you know.... the U.S.A. hasn't been invaded by a foreign army in a long time.... so obviously we are just being paranoid... maybe we should just disband the ARMED forces!