Author Topic: US Constitution - 2nd Amendment (Read 2854 times)

vorticon · « **Reply #60 on:** April 07, 2004, 01:50:15 PM »

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Originally posted by GtoRA2
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I think most here would agree the point the government because tyrannical is:

1: When the government bans all firearms, and then starts to go house to house arresting people for having them. Hopefully this is the last thing they try and take, but it will be the first.

2: The right to free speech is removed, and the government places its own censors in the newsrooms, and arrest people for anti government speech.

3: The right of freedom so assemble. This one like gun control is on the edge of being infringed on. Some of the reports from places like Florida were people doing nothing wrong including reports were arrested and beaten are a little scary, and I am not some pinko anti government type.

4: the right to be free from unlawful searches and seizures. This one is really being infringed on, hell that article not to long ago about the house that used to much power is a clear case to me that the government, state and Federal are getting out of hand.

works for me...and isnt number 4 only happening because your republican governments equivilent of canadas war measures act?

as torque said the nice thing about democratic elections is if you dont like the government you just vote em out next election...

to bad you cant be sure that the leader of a rebellion will be any better than the previous government...

as ive said before i dont have anything against people owning guns...i just dont like em owning assault weapons... (the majority of gun crimes are by gangs...and they kill enough of each other with relativly cheap handguns...if they could walk to the corner gun shop and grab a RPG or ak the death tolls in gang wars would be quite a bit higher)

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #61 on:** April 07, 2004, 02:06:37 PM »

Vort,
Sure now we can just vote out the bad president, but once damage is done, it is rarely fixed by the new guy in ofice, whos to say under the guise of National security the "bad" president doesnt suspend elections, etc.

The whole unlaw search thing can not be blamed just on Bush and the reps. A good portion of it has come from drug laws that can be pretty scary. A bunch of those I think came in under clinton.

ALso you can not just blame the Patriot act on the Republicans, it was passed by the Dems as well, very few stood agaist it, and some of the Democrats here are going to say "but they could not stand agaist it cause they would be labeled terrorst sympothisers." Thats crap, if it was wrong, they should have stood up and said so, not mater what the consequences, not wanting to be labeled is poor excuse by the politians, and a dumn one to accept if you have a problem with the patriot act. I am a little unhappy about it, and hope at some point it goes away, but I doubt it will.

Sadly Politicians on boths sides are scum. We have no one to blame but ourselves.

-MZ- · « **Reply #62 on:** April 07, 2004, 02:18:31 PM »

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I'm all for settling differences lawfully and peacefully. Much like we did in Florida and the Supreme Court after the 2000 election. However, if a candidate had taken taken unlawful control of the election and influenced the Supreme Court to violate our Constitution I'd be demanding justice. If that failed then it'd be time for more forceful action.

If that decision had gone 5-4 the other way you would have joined an armed revolt?

AKIron · « **Reply #63 on:** April 07, 2004, 02:23:09 PM »

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If that decision had gone 5-4 the other way you would have joined an armed revolt?

If the Supreme Court had allowed Gore and his cronies to manipulate the ballots in his favor I might have lead the revolt.

Sixpence · « **Reply #64 on:** April 07, 2004, 03:21:57 PM »

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If the Supreme Court had allowed Gore and his cronies to manipulate the ballots in his favor I might have lead the revolt.

terrorist!!!

AKIron · « **Reply #65 on:** April 07, 2004, 03:34:27 PM »

I swore an oath long ago to defend the Constitution against enemies both foreign and domestic. I'm certain that many American revolutionaries were labeled traitors by those loyal to the crown.

A well armed citizenry is far less likely to be oppressed by it's government.

Of course every citizen also has the right to defend himself from other citizens that would deprive him of life and/or property.

hawker238 · « **Reply #66 on:** April 07, 2004, 04:25:30 PM »

What if it was revealed that Bush rigged the election? Would you be in the streets then?

AKIron · « **Reply #67 on:** April 07, 2004, 04:33:18 PM »

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What if it was revealed that Bush rigged the election? Would you be in the streets then?

If there were incontrovertible evidence of that then yes, I would do whatever necessary to have him ousted, wouldn't you?

hawker238 · « **Reply #68 on:** April 07, 2004, 04:36:20 PM »

I think he'd be impeached by Congress. That's the beauty of a democratic republic.

AKIron · « **Reply #69 on:** April 07, 2004, 04:46:35 PM »

What if he was impeached by Congress but acquitted by the Senate?

Sandman · « **Reply #70 on:** April 07, 2004, 04:49:10 PM »

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What if he was impeached by Congress but acquitted by the Senate?

He'd be a democrat?

Kanth · « **Reply #71 on:** April 07, 2004, 04:53:28 PM »

Actually, I didn't speak to the voting process at all.

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It is not something that should be voted on as kanth intimates.
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hawker238 · « **Reply #72 on:** April 07, 2004, 05:47:24 PM »

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What if he was impeached by Congress but acquitted by the Senate?

Do you believe this is a possibility?

AKIron · « **Reply #73 on:** April 07, 2004, 05:52:53 PM »

I'd like to think it's not and I'd like to trust my government. However, I demand that my government trust me, at least 'till I prove myself untrustworthy.

hawker238 · « **Reply #74 on:** April 07, 2004, 07:17:48 PM »

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I'd like to think it's not and I'd like to trust my government. However, I demand that my government trust me, at least 'till I prove myself untrustworthy.

What? That's ridiculous, you don't just give people the means and hope they'll do the right thing. I doubt anyone would argue "at least they trusted him" if a man killed 30 innocents at a shopping mall.