Insurgents try to hinder progress towards democracy ... really ?

[Hristo]

Just watching the Pentagon briefing. What a load of bull.

A handful of terrorists, islamic extremists and thugs are hindering Iraq's progress towards democracy ? Well, how small their number according to Pentagon is, they sure make a big bang.

Not only that, but they almost managed to do the impossible - to unite Shia and Sunni in fight against common enemy.

So, let's hear your opinions. Who exactly is shooting at US troops and colaborationist Iraq government troops in Iraq ?

Are they terrorists ? Why ? What defines terrorism ?
Are they antisocial elements just looking for trouble ?
Are they mindless religious fanatics ?
Are they freedom fighters ?
Are they elements of former regime fighting to bring back forgotten Saddam ?
Al Qaida elements ?

[Krusher]

Originally posted by Hristo
Not only that, but they almost managed to do the impossible - to unite Shia and Sunni in fight against common enemy.

So, let's hear your opinions. Who exactly is shooting at US troops and colaborationist Iraq government troops in Iraq ?

Zhawari (spell) issued a statement calling on sunnis to attack shias...  So what exactly are they united over?

As far as my opinion of who is who, why bother you can tell by the wording of your question you already have it all figured out..

[Hristo]

My wording aside, who is killing the coalition troops in Iraq ?

You read Zahawri's statement ? IS he that stupid ? Who published the statement ?

[Krusher]

Originally posted by Hristo
You read Zahawri's statement ? IS he that stupid ? Who published the statement ?

Its is an audio tape on arab tv.  this isnt the first time he has called on sunnis to attack shias.

[Eagler]

histro cheers on the terrorists once again

wtg histro - you american hating little man

[Hristo]

And WTG Eagler !

Went straight to name calling, personal attack and "America hating" stuff.

Why don't you answer the questions instead ?

Why are insurgents terrorists ? Usually the terrorists attack civilians. These seem to be attacking armed forces, so another name might be more apropriate.

[Hristo]

Originally posted by Krusher
Its is an audio tape on arab tv.  this isnt the first time he has called on sunnis to attack shias.

Then it is stupid, IMO. Would add to the chaos situation image, but wouldn't help their cause.

[lasersailor184]

Who are they?  Iranians, syrians....



I'd be willing to bet 100 dollars that there are no more then 5 true Iraqi insurgents doing stuff like this.

[stiehl]

Iraqis that don't like being occupied.
non Iraqi muslims that don't like having Arab land occupied.
People that just want to kill the "infidels".
People that have had their friends and/or relatives killed and want revenge.

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by stiehl
Iraqis that don't like being occupied.
non Iraqi muslims that don't like having Arab land occupied.
People that just want to kill the "infidels".
People that have had their friends and/or relatives killed and want revenge.

People with a suicide wish.

[Pei]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
Who are they?  Iranians, syrians....



I'd be willing to bet 100 dollars that there are no more then 5 true Iraqi insurgents doing stuff like this.

You'd lose that bet. This time around we are dealing with Iraqi groups: Sunni Arabs form the tribes around Falluja and Ramadi and Shi'a Arabs further south. There will be some foreigner involved (other Arabs in the SUnni triangle and likely some Iranians  with the Shi'a) but all evidence points this being an Iraqi upriosing. Of course it is still a minority of Iraqis but it is Sadr and the Falluja tribal leaders who are calling the shots. Whether they have finally made common cause or each is taking advantage of the others uprising remains to be seen.

[Coolridr]

Who cares..Freedom and democracy is wasted on the arabs. They don't want it. I trully believe that they prefer to be kept under the thumb of a few prominent people. If not, then all arab nations would have had revolutions by now on their own.

[bullett308]

Originally posted by Coolridr
Who cares..Freedom and democracy is wasted on the arabs. They don't want it. I trully believe that they prefer to be kept under the thumb of a few prominent people. If not, then all arab nations would have had revolutions by now on their own.

Very good point.

[Pei]

Originally posted by Coolridr
Who cares..Freedom and democracy is wasted on the arabs. They don't want it. I trully believe that they prefer to be kept under the thumb of a few prominent people. If not, then all arab nations would have had revolutions by now on their own.

Which raises the point of why we are there in the first place: if it wasn't for WMDs and now it isn't to replace Hussein with a representative and just goverment what are we doing?

We cannot pull out now and leave a bigger mess than we started, and there are many Iraqis, who, while they have little love for the US and it's allies, don't want to live in another totalitarian state and don't want a civil war.

[Saintaw]

MT, it worked pretty well for the Vietnamese.