So are these "hostages" or "Prisoners of War"??

[osage]

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[Boroda]

This "needle bombs" are called also "ball-bombs", cassete bombs with ball elements, with killing particles (ball-bearing steel balls or other things) molded (wrong word probably) inside the shells. I have seen such things recovered from Vietnam in our department museum in college.

I don't know if they were prohibited by international conventions, but I don't know if they were manufactured in USSR, so Estel probably had no experience using them.

Anyway, bombing apartment blocks with cassete weapons is beyond my comrehension. It's inhuman.

[Batz]

cluster bombs?

[AKIron]

Originally posted by Boroda
Anyway, bombing apartment blocks with cassete weapons is beyond my comrehension. It's inhuman.

Anti-human anyhow. If cluster bombs are being used I bet they aren't being used indiscriminately but only against armed combatants.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by AKIron
Anti-human anyhow. If cluster bombs are being used I bet they aren't being used indiscriminately but only against armed combatants.

Yeah, cluster bombs with "ball" antipersonell elements.

Bombing apartment blocks can be barely called "usage only against armed combatants".

This ball-bombs are a horrible weapon, believe me. Killing elements embedded inside the steel shells can kill for hundreeds of meters. It means literally fields of no survival.

It can't be called "precicion weapons", it's just carpet-bombing fields to tear everything alive in parts.

[Gixer]

What ever happens to the Japanese hostages (unfortunetly probably death) Japan will probably pull it's troops out by June 30th. Think Portugal and a couple others are also on the cards for departure.



...-Gixer

[Boroda]

Sorry, I am not familiar with English weapon-design terms, so I use lame translation of Russian terms that I have learned in college.

[Estel]

Combatants? But as a result there are over 500 civilian corpses and over 1000 injured. Combatants are still shooting. I understand that USA still use the perfect bomb sights, bombs always hit into the Earth.

[Batz]

http://www.euronews.net/create_html.php?page=accueil_info&lng=10&option=0,home

Translation of the article Estel linked using babelfish

Iraqi fighters threaten to execute the hostages Representatives of the acting in Iraq group of &.tsuot;Brigady of hero- martyr Ahmet yasina&.tsuot; they stated on Saturday that 30 foreign citizens are located in them as the hostages. It is asserted that among the stolen people there are citizens of the United States, Israel, South Korea, Bulgaria, Spain and Japan. To all to them, as fighters threaten, will be cut off heads, if Americans do not remove blockade the ale -Falludji

Iraqi fighters continue attacks on the military and civil escorts. From the Baghdad international airport they were not far attacked from the ambush and burnt the American tank of &.tsuot;Abrams&.tsuot; and several armored carriers. In the suburb ale -Falludji on the road Baghdad- amman was attacked the column of the supply of troops OF THE USA. Several machines were destroyed. Iraqi fighters took in the hostages of driver of one of the automobiles. After seating it into their machine, rebels allowed Australian journalists to assign several questions to prisoner. American chauffeur described about how attack was perfected to their escort and was named its name - Thomas khemill. They drove away after this hostage also thus far nothing it is known about his further fate.

In Sunday elapses the period of the ultimatum, tempered by the kidnappers of three citizens of Japan to the government of this country, in order to derive military contingent from Iraq. Otherwise Iraqi fighters threaten to execute them.

Nothing on bomblets, ball bombs cluster bombs or  needle bombs.

This Story was Posted on 12/16/2003 12:10 PM  then updated on 12/16/2003 12:10 PM by USA today:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-12-10-cluster-bomb-cover_x.htm

EDIT

 I read the wrong date. The USA today article linked above is old and is describing the US advance on Bagdad last year. Corrections are in bold.

[Estel]

Yes. It's a rotated news. I'll find a hard link for you.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Estel
I understand that USA still use the perfect bomb sights, bombs always hit into the Earth.

There is a major difference of the aviation usage in city combat. In 1995 our Su-25s have hit canalisation hatches with concrete-penetration bombs to bust the Dudayev's bunker in Grozniy. And the world's best air-force uses cluster anti-personnel boms against civilian dwellings...

I hope it's all media lies, otherwise the people who ordered such bombings are military criminals.

Didn't they try napalm yet?... It's cheaper and more effective

[Boroda]

Originally posted by AKIron
I think HTC is too generous with the anonymous bbs accounts.

Do you mean me and Estel?

Thank you, very nice.

[Hortlund]

You guys should stop believing russian news sources. I remember the kind of freaked-out news you would report from GW2 with hundreds of AH64s shot down and thousands of US troops killed etc etc.  

If there were any cluster bombs used on civilians, you would see it in the media no less than 10 minutes afterwards. Not only are there alot of western media on the ground, but also al jazeira and that other pro-arab news agency is firmly embedded with the terrorist.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by Boroda
Do you mean me and Estel?

Thank you, very nice.

No, I meant Estel. I suspected Estel was a second or third account that some wiseacre was using to troll. If I'm mistaken then you have my apology.

[Estel]

Originally posted by Hortlund
You guys should stop believing russian news sources. I remember the kind of freaked-out news you would report from GW2 with hundreds of AH64s shot down and thousands of US troops killed etc etc.  

Wow, thanks for help. I'll use this later. By the way. I'm looking not only russian TV. But also european. Maybe I need to stop beleving Europian TV too? Because scenes showing there sometimes going to disagree with official point of USA congress?

If there were any cluster bombs used on civilians, you would see it in the media no less than 10 minutes afterwards. Not only are there alot of western media on the ground, but also al jazeira and that other pro-arab news agency is firmly embedded with the terrorist.

Al-Jazeira was first company who reported about it in 30 minutes after the strike.
I have a question.... Did you watch TV when USA bombed Yugoslavia? If yes, tell me, did USA media report about air strikes against civilians there or as usually they forgot it?

You are forgetting one thing. USA involved into the occupation war. The normal situation is filtering and correcting information going trough media. It is mading for people not start anti-war demonstrations. It's normal practice for any country involved into the war.