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Offline Boroda

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« on: April 10, 2004, 12:52:43 PM »
Is it true that US Army (or was it Marines?...) are fortifying their positions aroung Fallujah and don't let civilian refugees leave the city?

For me it's a biggest contrast with the Russian operation in Grozniy. Russian Army have encircled the city fortified by terrorists and have given two weeks for unarmed people to leave the city. After two weeks the assault have began, full scale, GH have posted the pictures of the result in a deleted thread.

If they don't let unarmed civilians leave the city - then what's their purpose? I fail every time I try to find sane motivations in this bloody Iraqi adventure... Do I miss something?

No offences, please, I understand that it's a War, but there are some things I can't understand and tolerate...
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Offline AKIron

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« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2004, 12:54:14 PM »
They just wanna round 'em all up and slaughter 'em all like hogs. Isn't that what you're suggesting?
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« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2004, 01:02:32 PM »
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They just wanna round 'em all up and slaughter 'em all like hogs. Isn't that what you're suggesting?


It's what all Arabic press suggests.

I want to find the truth that's always somewhere in the middle. First of all I want to know if it is true that they don't let unarmed civilians out of the city. I hope it's another media lie.
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Offline bullett308

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« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2004, 01:24:25 PM »
There were letting women and children out.
But when they tried to sneek the men out with the women and children some of the families refused to leave and turned back.
There choice im afraid.

This is something they should have thought of before they murderd those Americans and draggged there bodies thrue the streets then hung them from the bridge.

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Offline SOB

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« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2004, 01:28:48 PM »
Well, we're not bloodthirsty warmongers, and we're not interested in seeing civilians killed.  If you believe that, then there's really no question.
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« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2004, 01:39:15 PM »
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There were letting women and children out.
But when they tried to sneek the men out with the women and children some of the families refused to leave and turned back.
There choice im afraid.

This is something they should have thought of before they murderd those Americans and draggged there bodies thrue the streets then hung them from the bridge.

Payback Is a biotch:aok


In Grozniy every civilian that came out unarmed was let to leave the city. American way is more "practical", but not very humane.

In Grozniy they not only "murderd and draggged there bodies thrue the streets" - they slaughtered, raped and robbed thousands of Russians, Ukrainians, Jews, Kazakhs, etc. Anyway, every person, regardless to sex and age, was let out of the city if he came unarmed.

The difference is that there were some ethnic Russians/Ukrainians/Jews in Grozniy in 1999, and Russian Army was responsible for their lives, just like for the lives of Chechens who didn't support terrorists - they are all citizens of Russian Federation.

Thank you for the explaination. Our media didn't tell that women and children refused to leave without their husbands/fathers.
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Offline Nilsen

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« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2004, 01:45:36 PM »
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« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2004, 01:46:31 PM »
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Well, we're not bloodthirsty warmongers, and we're not interested in seeing civilians killed.  If you believe that, then there's really no question.


Looks like most of the Westerners believe that Russians are "bloodthirsty warmongers"... But now, please, look and compare - what our Army did in Grozniy, and what your Marines do in Fallujah how. Again: Russians waited for two weeks to let all the unarmed civilians out of the city... And untill that moment we didn't start artillery bombardment, not speaking of cluster bombs on inhabited blocks.

I understand that Americans are civilized people, I understand that it's a War, but there are some things I can't understand and tolerate.

Grunherz have posted the pictures of Grozniy. We made sure that there is only enemy left there. If the enemy doesn't surrender - it must be destroyed. Are you sure that unarmed men with their families who want to get out of the cluster-bombing hell are your enemies?...
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« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2004, 01:49:24 PM »
Nilsen, I hope it's not that bad.

I only express my surprisement (is it a right word?) for what goes on, and want to get a picture from the American side, that I probably don't see in Russian media.
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« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2004, 01:50:03 PM »
Save the speech, I really don't care, and I'm not interested in judging what Russia does.  Feel free to condemn the US and think the worst about whatever we do, though.
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« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2004, 01:50:25 PM »
most of the westerners does not think that Boroda.
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« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2004, 01:56:59 PM »
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Save the speech, I really don't care, and I'm not interested in judging what Russia does.  Feel free to condemn the US and think the worst about whatever we do, though.


Don't you think I can feel offended when Toad and Grunherz call my nation "savages" and "bloody barbarians that came from the East" for an obvious humanitarian solution in Chechnya, when your brave armed forces keep civilians from leaving the combat zone and spray them like roaches with antipersonell cluster bombs?!

Is every male Iraqi age 14-65 a "possible partisan"? Sounds familiar :mad:
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« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2004, 01:57:44 PM »
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most of the westerners does not think that Boroda.


Sorry, I didn't understand... Do not think what? :confused:
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« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2004, 01:59:06 PM »
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...when your brave armed forces keep civilians from leaving the combat zone and spray them like roaches with antipersonell cluster bombs?!

You see, this is the part that makes me not really give a poop about how you feel or what you think.
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« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2004, 01:59:32 PM »
Boroda:

that... "Westerners believe that Russians are "bloodthirsty warmongers"

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