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Offline Boroda

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« Reply #15 on: April 11, 2004, 01:04:59 PM »
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Thank god we never fought the Soviets huh?


Well said.

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« Reply #16 on: April 11, 2004, 01:10:41 PM »
A properly trained Ninja can take out an M1 tank using nothing but a rolled up newspaper.

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« Reply #17 on: April 11, 2004, 01:41:45 PM »
There is always the Leopard II

and thank cod we never attacked russian massive unslaught type of army

And tanks aint all btw they all are driving metal coffins.
seems the us r using em in the citys wich is always a big mistake.

Oh and thank cod it's tracks are strong enough to drive over a mujehaddin warrior.

Burn them terrorists

They really getting annoying now

Offline Yeager

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« Reply #18 on: April 11, 2004, 01:45:45 PM »
OH MY COD!
"If someone flips you the bird and you don't know it, does it still count?" - SLIMpkns

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« Reply #19 on: April 11, 2004, 02:07:19 PM »
BUG_EAF322

we are getting leo2's from your country to replace some of our older tanks. The once we are getting now are A4 variants but next year we will get alot of newly upgraded A6's from you.

in return you get some armored engeneer type tanks and tank rescue vehicles + a NASAMS battery. Norway and the Netherlands are setting up a joint expeditionary force so it made sence to swap equipment that one had a surplus of and the other lacked :)

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« Reply #20 on: April 11, 2004, 02:09:56 PM »
_Schadenfreude_

thanks for the game link :)

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« Reply #21 on: April 11, 2004, 02:19:42 PM »
Sounds promising :)
Only political winds chance the army about every 3-4 years

I left the army at the end of the cold war.
Sadly our navy is losing it's last fixed wing aircraft the lockheed orion

A big contrast to the past when our navy had at least 1 carrier and a lot of different type of fixed wing aircraft.

like the tracker.


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« Reply #22 on: April 11, 2004, 02:27:46 PM »
Try a couple of scenario's or a campaign to start with - then try vs a human opponent.

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« Reply #23 on: April 11, 2004, 02:30:49 PM »
Yeah...most militarys are downsizing but its good that we can exchange modern equipment rather than just scrapping it when another country has a need for it. We are also giving alot of brand new and upgraded equipment and systems to our new NATO members.

The tracker is a good looking plane...we have used orions since they came out and they have been upgraded to the latest version everytime updates came. The US used to pay for half of those upgrades in return for intel gathered by them on the movement of the russian northern fleet.
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« Reply #24 on: April 11, 2004, 02:32:32 PM »
When i look at the screenies (dl game atm)i realise that i have played it or something similar before.... Is it a game that used to cost money but is now a free game maintained by enthusiasts?

It came in ww2, vietnam and modern version i belive.

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« Reply #25 on: April 11, 2004, 02:37:38 PM »
Comanche was up to 60 mil a copy and years past the original scheduled timeline.  This was due to a lot of things, not the least of which was the Army continually changing it's requirements.  The Comanche was asked to do pretty much everything and got bogged down in the technical implementation of a difficult requirements document that was itself a moving target.

In the end, the Comanche was taking up some 40% of the Army's aviation budget and would have resulted in a production run well under 200 helicopters.  By canceling the project, many hundreds of current helos can get needed upgrades, production can restart to boost existing fleets that are reaching end of lifecycle airframe retirements or suffering from simple airframe shortages, and the Army can also focus more on their next generation networked and integrated force structure.  Needy projects include the next generation heavy lift helicopter and possibly a stealthy UCAV that can accomplish the first-day stealthy attack role that drove a lot of the Comanche's expensive development.

Of course, the Pentagon and Congress still need to agree on what that money will be used for, since the war on terrorism is underfunded by some 20 billion dollars.  In the worst case, the money from Comanche may get put back into the general fund instead of being redirected to other underfunded Army aviation programs.

According to Aviation Week and Space Technology that is.

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« Reply #26 on: April 11, 2004, 02:41:18 PM »
I would think that the super-cobra would be the best value for money system vs the commanche and apache but im not a helo expert. I know they have restarted the production of brand new cobras in the super-cobra config and the once already in service are beeing upgraded.

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/supcobra/index.html

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« Reply #27 on: April 11, 2004, 05:54:29 PM »
That thing is damn ugly!

Thanks for the link, btw.  Is it more intuitive than TacOps?

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« Reply #28 on: April 11, 2004, 08:25:03 PM »
Wow, stuff gets blown up and shot down in a war? How horrible! Our military must be practically useless if it's equipment is not invulnerable to any type of weapons system. How do we turn on the invincibility hack?

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« Reply #29 on: April 11, 2004, 08:50:03 PM »
Military contracts that are popular in the US usually involve fancy toys with all kinds of cool gizmos and stuff.  Usually these are very expensive.
The Comanche was some fancy toy built for a "deep penetration" tactic -- where groups of helos, supported by TACMS and other mid-range toys,  would range well behind the MLR and trash stuff. Unfortunately, the inaugural "Deep penetration" raid in Iraq was the one where the Apaches came back shot to hell, thanks to low-tech toys.
Now, you look at a project that's been on the books for what? a decade? the requirements have been changing, the funding already chopped, and in the end, it's gonna be expensive and vulnerable.

No weapons system is invulnerable.