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Offline Vector

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Who is leading USA today?
« on: April 14, 2004, 12:38:03 PM »
I'm wondering this question after reading Anthony Summer's book "Official and Confidential: The Secret Life of J. Edgar Hoover". Not just about the USA but every country! How much the ppl actually knows about the things running behind the curtains? Not much of course. But I was totally amazed that it was Hoover who basicly controlled the whole USA and also was heavily involved to foreign policy back in 40 -70's. Hoover even got very serious warnings about the attack of Pearl Harbor in advance but ignored it because was too much focused on getting more blackmail material for the senators and the president from FBI agents. The whole FBI was Hoover's huge machine to get more information of sexual habbits and other "usefull" things of all senators and other ppl who might soon be in charge. All president's of USA hated and also was afraid of Hoover because he had much material to blackmail them. Kennedy tried to get rid of him, but soon found it futile because Hoover got too much information of him.
Hoover was also co-operating with mafia, which presence he always denied and was actually protecting its doings.

If you haven't read Summer's book, I'd suggest go and read it. Amazing book. This guy spent 5 years to dig all this information out.
I'm sure, here in HTC forum, are many people who knows things way better than this Irish guy :)

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ps. Don't read the book grunherz, it might blow your bubble :D

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Who is leading USA today?
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2004, 12:50:05 PM »
Do you believe everything you read?

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« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2004, 01:16:19 PM »
Couldn't you do anything better than that?
Of course I don't believe everything I read, but should you read this book you'd think different ...

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« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2004, 01:28:44 PM »
and here's one description of the book from Amazon.com:

"Editorial Reviews
From Publishers Weekly
Summers's expose throws light on Hoover's relentless corruption and other skeletons in his closet.

Ingram
An examination of the Hoover legacy reveals the true extent to which Hoover abused his power in the FBI to blackmail presidents, public officials, and private citizens and to manipulate domestic and foreign policy. 85,000 first printing. $65,000 ad/promo.

Book Description
Presidents yearned to fire him, but were daunted by his storehouse of damaging secrets. Public officials and private citizens lived in fear of his illegal surveillance and harassment tactics. Now, in this ground-breaking, at times shocking biography, J. Edgar Hoover, the man who ruled over the FBI for nearly fifty years, emerges definitively as one of the greatest menaces of our times.

Official and Confidential, by the award-winning investigative journalist and author Anthony Summers, is the first book to expose the public and the private J. Edgar Hoover. Other biographers have hinted at the dark secrets in the Director's life, but Summers courageously discloses the truth. After conducting more than eight hundred interviews and obtaining access to previously concealed documents, Summers has created a chilling portrait of a legendary figure who blatantly abused the public trust.

* J. Edgar Hoover, Summers establishes, was a closet homosexual and transvestite. Mafia bosses obtained information about Hoover's sex life and used it for decades to keep the FBI at bay. Without this, the Mafia as we know it might never have gained its hold in America.

* J. Edgar Hoover shamelessly accepted gifts and free lodging from millionaire oilmen, and appropriated FBI facilities for his personal use.

* J. Edgar Hoover influenced the course of World War II by ignoring an early warning about Pearl Harbor.

* J. Edgar Hoover used his knowledge of John F. Kennedy's womanizing to ensure that Lyndon Johnson became Vice President. He relied on dirty tricks to stay in office under Kennedy and subverted the Warren Commission's probe into the investigation of his death.

* J. Edgar Hoover himself was the target of a Watergate-era burglary attempt - and perhaps even a murder plot.

With these and other astonishing disclosures, Summers defines a man and his times. He explores Hoover's troubled youth as the son of a mentally ill father and a highly demanding mother, and the development of the obsessive behavior that dominated his later years. Summers takes the reader on an extraordinary journey, as a zealous young lawyer rebuilds an ineffectual corps of agents into a massive force capable of police-state tactics. With riveting detail, Summers documents Hoover's behind-the-scenes role in war and peace through fifty years and eight presidential administrations.

Richly anecdotal, meticulously researched Official and Confidential depicts some of the most controversial and colorful events of our century. Here is a disturbing lesson in how one man was able to abuse his position of power and change the course of American history. "

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sounds good
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2004, 01:36:15 PM »
Vector - sounds like a good book. I'll look for it on http://www.amazon.co.uk

I've seen movie/drama documentaries about J. Edgar Hoover, and was left with a feeling that he was an unmitigated a-hole. He and Robert Kennedy were arch enemies and hated each other's guts - I guess that's in the book.

I think I must have seen the account created by his sidekick (name was Sullivan, I think) who was uncermoniously fired by Hoover, quite unfairly according to the doc. that I saw.

J. Edgar Hoover "batted for the other side", as we say in England. Which is a polite way of saying that he was not a ladies man. I am very surprised that someone of that persuasion could be allowed to hold the office that he did, because he could have been blackmailed/compromised. H.M. the Queen had to dismiss one of her security staff members for that exact same reason.

Well, I've just checked Amazon, and the only copy of this book is priced at £68.95 :eek: Vulcan, where did you get yours? Is it in English?

I remember a TV series called Murder Inc. which was aired on British TV in the 1980s. It was all about La Cosa Nostra - the Mafia to you and me. It delved into the lives of people like JFK and underworld boss Sam Giancana (head of one of the 5 NY "families") - and Judith Exner, who was screwing them both. After watching the series, which made mention of Frank Sinatra, Ronald Reagan and Carlo Gambino, I was left with the impression that the US Government is merely a subsidiary of The Mafia and organised crime.

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Re: sounds good
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2004, 02:00:49 PM »
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Originally posted by beet1e

I've seen movie/drama documentaries about J. Edgar Hoover, and was left with a feeling that he was an unmitigated a-hole. He and Robert Kennedy were arch enemies and hated each other's guts - I guess that's in the book.
 


Oh yes it is. Robert Kennedy was a Ministry of Justice and was SUPPOSED to be a chief of Hoover, but things were opposite. R. Kennedy couldn't hurt Hoover, but Hoover could hurt R. Kennedy (and JFK too).

£68.95 !?! Must be conspirancy :D

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Re: sounds good
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2004, 02:17:38 PM »
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Originally posted by beet1e

J. Edgar Hoover "batted for the other side", as we say in England. Which is a polite way of saying that he was not a ladies man. I am very surprised that someone of that persuasion could be allowed to hold the office that he did, because he could have been blackmailed/compromised. H.M. the Queen had to dismiss one of her security staff members for that exact same reason.


It was well known that Hoover was a gay but no-one wouldn't say it in loud because everyone was afraid of Hoover's power. Even Kennedy's did know about Hoover's sexual habbits, but still, Hoover had more harmful stuff on them than Kennedy's had against Hoover. Hoover was always one step ahead of HIS (not USA) enemies.

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« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2004, 05:16:18 PM »
I was expecting to have some blazing replies ...
atleast from the great US-wannabe Grun ... ;)



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