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Offline Drunky

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« Reply #15 on: April 16, 2004, 03:16:28 PM »
Nash,

What do you use to record the drums?

I've been using a drum machine but I have recently switch to Home Studio and while I like the new drum sounds I still find it cumbersome to create the patterns.  The fact that I'm no drummer also makes this hard.



Side note:  You noticed also that the two Nickleback songs are the some basically also...hehehe.  The band I play in also dabbles with them (I really don't care much for Nickleback, not very much depth IMO but our singer really likes them) and I keep pointing out that he keeps writting the same exact single.  ;)
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« Reply #16 on: April 16, 2004, 05:11:50 PM »
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And this guy... Paul... Is one of the shrecking best people I have ever had the priveledge of knowing.

Shows ya how distorted things get.

Well.... listen to that song in the same light. At the time, thumbs up!, now? Yegads....


I know a guy with a story a lot like that. He's special, too.

Thanks for the story, and the jams, nice.

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« Reply #17 on: April 16, 2004, 05:21:31 PM »
Ya  NASH it's a great song!!! I play it alot, forgot to thank you before.


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« Reply #18 on: April 17, 2004, 05:54:19 PM »
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Nash, I was hoping you might answer about how you record your drums.
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« Reply #19 on: April 17, 2004, 06:08:02 PM »
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Nash, I was hoping you might answer about how you record your drums.


Drunky he drums himself with real drums..... I talked to him about a month ago while flying AH.

I agree he has some serious talent..... I would like to hear more from him.

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« Reply #20 on: April 17, 2004, 08:47:13 PM »
TY Nuke.

If any one is interested, here is a sample of my music.

Granted, this one is a little funky.  Most of mine tend to be heavier but I thought this might be more palatable for the masses (as it were).

[Edit] Please keep in mind that I drink alot when I'm coming up with and recording music.  Also, my production values are primitive compared to Nash's[/edit]
« Last Edit: April 17, 2004, 09:05:58 PM by Drunky »
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« Reply #21 on: April 17, 2004, 08:55:09 PM »
Generally... it depends on if you're a hard hitter or not... If you are, I'd recommend using a shure 57 on each drum, with the snare being mic'd both on top (for the slap sound) and the bottom (for the chains). Make sure ya reverse the phase of the bottom mic. I didn't have enough inputs to mic the bottom, though... the Digi001 only gives ya eight.

Then I used (I think it was) an akg d112 for the bass dum, positioned off to the side, but pointing to the spot where the beater hits.

I can't remember what make the cymbal mics were (probably akg), but they were condensors. I had one pointing straight down on the hi-hat about a third of the way in. Another was positioned over the left crash, and the last one was over and aimed at a spot between the ride and right crash. That was the most tricky of the entire set-up.... trying to get a good mix between the crash and ride. But again, only 8 mics...

What's really missing is the room sound. You usually have two mics positioned above and away from the kit to get the room's natural reverb. After everything else was mic'd I didn't have anything left to do this. A good technique which I was planning to do but never got around to is to re-amp the drums by playing the part back through your monitors, and recording them again from far away (was going to use a long hallway).

You can also do the same type of thing to beef up your snare sound, by putting one of the monitors right on your snare facing down, playing the snare part back through it, and recording it from a mic placed under the snare.

That's about all I can think of... but if I left anything out go ahead and ask.

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« Reply #22 on: April 17, 2004, 09:06:09 PM »
Nifty song! :aok

This summer I'm gonna take a stab at using midi for drums, but trying to program them to be indistinguishable from the real thing. Since you have control over all the parameters, it should be possible. The hardest I think would be to program in all the little errors and timing nuances to make them sound human.

Maybe just quicker to record em live... but it'll be interesting.

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« Reply #23 on: April 18, 2004, 12:13:02 AM »
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Nifty song! :aok

This summer I'm gonna take a stab at using midi for drums, but trying to program them to be indistinguishable from the real thing. Since you have control over all the parameters, it should be possible. The hardest I think would be to program in all the little errors and timing nuances to make them sound human.

Maybe just quicker to record em live... but it'll be interesting.


I have about 12 years experience programming midi drums, I have made some tracks that sound pretty good and realistic but NOTHING sounds as good as a drummer.

I would bet that most people that heard my midi drums would not know they were real or not.....but any good muscian should be able to tell any midi drums from a real drummer.

Maybe when I get done building DiabloTX's FW I will mix some of my old songs for you to hear.

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« Reply #24 on: April 18, 2004, 12:26:27 AM »
That would be great to hear Nuke. I'm guessing it'd be a bit painful to do, but... maybe you get better at it the more you do it.

I have an advantage in that I know very well all the little screw-ups that makes drumming sound like what it does. Hell, I could write an essay on them. :)

I dug up another song that I had converted to MP3. I'll post it, but I'm trying to get it down from the 10 megs it's at to something more reasonable. Prolly be the last song I post from that... era.

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« Reply #25 on: April 18, 2004, 12:32:09 AM »
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That would be great to hear Nuke. I'm guessing it'd be a bit painful to do, but... maybe you get better at it the more you do it.

I have an advantage in that I know very well all the little screw-ups that makes drumming sound like what it does. Hell, I could write an essay on them. :)

I dug up another song that I had converted to MP3. I'll post it, but I'm trying to get it down from the 10 megs it's at to something more reasonable. Prolly be the last song I post from that... era.


The best tool for programing midi drums is Cakewalk, a cheap drum machine for input and a good drum sound module for output. With cakewalk, I usually "tap" the bass and snare real time, then correct nuance and timing as needed. I then program everything else and add very selective, short delays to make the "kit" sound like it's in a room.

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« Reply #26 on: April 18, 2004, 12:43:22 AM »
Cakewalk?

Cool...

If I remember right, they were one of the first sequencers out of the gate with multi-track midi. Computer monitors hadn't even gone from monotone to CGA when I saw it.

Will give that a look - thanks Nuke.

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« Reply #27 on: April 18, 2004, 09:26:00 AM »
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The best tool for programing midi drums is Cakewalk


Which software from Cakewalk?

I'm using Home Studio 2004 right now.  Was using a Yamaha MD-8 (8 track minidisc recorder) and an old Boss DR-550 mkII drum machine.
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« Reply #28 on: April 18, 2004, 09:42:02 AM »
Home Studio should be good....I have Sonic myself, but only use it for midi so far.. I use the piano roll edit view for drums.... every drum sound will have it's own "paino" key in the display, so it's very easy to edit each voice.

I use to program the actual drum machine way back when. Each 4 or 8 bar section at a time, then string it all togother for a song, which was very tiresome, figuring where each fill or accent should be.

Now I start a song with a click track in cakewalk and record a scratch guitar or bass track, then go back and tap the drums real time for the most part, then edit it all as I wish. Some parts I cut and paste, like maybe percussion and hi hats.

I have a Digi001 like Nash had now. My  idea for recording drums next is to record the midi in cakewalk ( because of it's great edit and interface, display) then import that into Protools. I want to record each drum sound onto seperate tracks coming from my r8 drum rack, then eq,  and tweek each sound before putiing them togther into a drum sub group.

Damn, I wish I could just drum!

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« Reply #29 on: April 18, 2004, 10:06:59 AM »
You're pretty good Nash! Are you making any money off of these songs?