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Offline GRUNHERZ

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« Reply #60 on: April 15, 2004, 06:45:27 AM »
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Looks like you may have to rethink your premise Gh0stFT...


He has many things to rethink...
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Offline _Schadenfreude_

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« Reply #61 on: April 15, 2004, 07:14:43 AM »
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17 out of 26 NATO countries have troops in Iraq...


COALITION TROOPS IN IRAQ: TOP CONTRIBUTORS
United States: 135,000
UK: 8,700
Italy: 3,000
Poland: 2,400
Ukraine: 1,650
Spain: 1,300
Australia: 850
Japan: 550
Bulgaria: 485
Portugal: 120

From the BBC - excluding UK troops the rest of the coalition have
9,500 troops odd - less of course the Spanish from next month making it about 8,000.
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« Reply #62 on: April 15, 2004, 07:20:24 AM »
Some nations are missing there...
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« Reply #63 on: April 15, 2004, 07:23:21 AM »
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I agree islamic ragheads are incapable of democracy and freedom, we should just nuke them. :rolleyes:

In fact they are just like black people, who could never be fully responsible free citizens in America. I say string em all up!!  :rolleyes:


So I ask you, how racist and ignorant can you be?


well i knew you would come up with something.
Where do i said something racist ?
read my post again, i said "Only Iraqis itself can build democracy"
And i still say your Idea or how you say "gambling" is an big Utopia.

I must have hit some nerv Grünherz, otherwise you wouldn attack me personaly. But i know the truth hurts sometimes.
And btw. talking about Vaterland, i have the same roots like you,
croatia. But i live all my live in germany, and i'm proud to live in
germany :)

Holden McGroin, numbers, nothing more. Have you talked to some
Arabs on the street ? or do you have some arabic friends, you cant
find a better source.

R
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« Reply #64 on: April 15, 2004, 07:29:01 AM »
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Some nations are missing there...


Yes I really thought there was a Hungarian contingent ....
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« Reply #65 on: April 15, 2004, 07:34:01 AM »
Ok Ghost, ytou seem pretty lost here...

However I am a hopeful guy so I will try again:

Germnay was made a prosperous free, liberal democracy, within a a decade of WW2. Before that time Germany had little  wish for or experience with democracy. In fact germans turned away from democracy and voted in Hitler party just a few years before. Personal freedoms were not too high. The country was militaristic and autocratic for centuries. Yet it quickly became a democacy under US gudiance.

Japan too, had nealy 2,000 years of either Imperial or miliraty rule with no democracy, few freedoms, a miliratistic spirit, staunch undeomcratic religion. Yet within a few years of ww2 it became a democracy under US guidance.

I see no reason why Iraq is differet. In fact i'm shocked that you as german is not able to see the paralels.

Thats all I can say, the rest is up to you. Chose ignorance, or chose reason, but choose...

Also I must ask are you really saying that your informal anecdotal chats with various arabs on the strrets in germany GERMANY!!  is more representative of IRAQI people feelings, experiences and opinins about the war than a thurough detailed scientific poll conducted in IRAQ itself?

Are you actually saying that? Seriously?


But hey its cool that you are Croatian!! :) Were you born there or in germany?
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« Reply #66 on: April 15, 2004, 07:36:31 AM »
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Yes I really thought there was a Hungarian contingent ....

So why post the list if you know it is missleading?
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« Reply #67 on: April 15, 2004, 07:40:31 AM »
Because there is a far greater chance of me being wrong when it comes to facts and figures than the hundreds of people who check these things at the BBC - the issue remains 135k Americans, 8k Brits, 8k odds and sods - it's not a coalition in any real sense just a fig leaf for the Bush administration to hide behind .
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« Reply #68 on: April 15, 2004, 07:41:15 AM »
if OBL had total control over every crazed muslim, they'd deal with him in a second

but he doesn't- heck the raghead leader in Iraq ain't got control over his crazed nutbag followers and they are right  outside his door ...

I do believe the Euros should discuss this with OBL, face to face - just let us program a cruise missile or two first with the meetings co-ordinates..
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« Reply #69 on: April 15, 2004, 07:41:49 AM »
Listen Grünherz, forget what i have said ok.
You are right, actually everything is going very well
in Iraq. Iraqis supporting your views 100% Soon there will
be a stable democracy in Iraq. My fault i didnt see the truth.

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edit: btw i was born in Slav. Brod, not far away from Zagreb.
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« Reply #70 on: April 15, 2004, 07:41:57 AM »
Was Koreaqn war coalition a figleaf for Truman too?  And remember, that was one of those sacred UN jobs....


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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Just to put the numbers in perspective, of the foreign troops in country the USA provided 75% of the troop strength in a 15 nation strong coalition.  Americans suffered 94% of the deaths, and 89% of the wounded of the coalition.

Wait... that was Korea, 1950-53.  Seems like Americans are used to carring the load.
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« Reply #71 on: April 15, 2004, 07:42:38 AM »
For the total list.....

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/iraq_orbat_coalition.htm

Bet those 180 Mongolians are really scary dudes!!
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« Reply #72 on: April 15, 2004, 07:45:38 AM »
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Originally posted by Gh0stFT
Listen Grünherz, forget what i have said ok.
You are right, actually everything is going very well
in Iraq. Iraqis supporting your views 100% Soon there will
be a stable democracy in Iraq. My fault i didnt see the truth.

R
Gh0stFT


You are like a ball, bouncing from one wall to the next... :)

Why are you so uncomfortable when presented with informatyion which challenges your preconcpetions?

It's fine to be opposed to the war, but that doesnt mean that you should ignore evidence that makes it seem that many Iraqis  have positive opions abnout it and are hopeful about their futures...
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« Reply #73 on: April 15, 2004, 07:46:04 AM »
Is it politically correct to call them ragheads these days? ive seen it more and more but very few or none seem to think thats bad.
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« Reply #74 on: April 15, 2004, 07:47:10 AM »
Geesh talk about complicated!! How about just not voting in George W come Nov? It would be so much easier.
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