Author Topic: APC Comparison - US Bradley vs UK Warrior (Read 1338 times)

gofaster · « **Reply #15 on:** April 16, 2004, 03:42:29 PM »

Downside to Bradley - you have to get out of the vehicle to reload.

Replicant · « **Reply #16 on:** April 16, 2004, 03:58:24 PM »

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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Dowd,
What one has better armor?

The Warrior has removable chobham armour - it's bolted on in event of war/engagements but in training/transport it is removed to reduce weight.

The 30mm cannon on the Warrior is only available within certain light infantry regiments. A 7.62mm chain gun is also used instead on some support vehicles.

Is the Warrier 30mm gun the Raden cannon? If so that's the same gun on the Alvis Scimiter light tank, a very proven and tested weapon.

99% of the Warriers are based in Germany and were originally designed to counter the Warsaw pact countries during the cold war. It's more than a match for the Bradley and BMP-3, but like any weapon, it depends on how it's used and what environment it's suited for. I've been inside a Warrior, rather spacious considering. Haven't been in a BMP-3 but I have in a BMP-2, is there much difference inside?

rabbidrabbit · « **Reply #17 on:** April 16, 2004, 05:44:39 PM »

On the Bradley, you have to open the rear hatch to reload the TOW's, everything else is reloaded from inside. As far as a combined arms weapon system the Bradley must be holding the edge. On the individual basis any of those vehicles could defeat the others depending on the circumstances. Though I would still give the edge to the Bradley, especially at range, inclement weather or during the night.

Staga · « **Reply #18 on:** April 16, 2004, 06:35:09 PM »

I did loan my copy of "Rapid Fire" to my friend but IIRC 30mm gun in Warrior is Aden cannon, developed from Mauser MG213 "revolver" cannon.

In aircrafts Aden is having RoF 1200 rpm (about same with .303cal mg !) and Mv of 800m/sec (Hispano Mk5 820m/s).
Not sure if gv's are using same ammunition.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #19 on:** April 16, 2004, 06:43:47 PM »

Nah its not the ADEN in the Warrior.

Pei · « **Reply #20 on:** April 16, 2004, 08:41:30 PM »

30mm RARDEN in the Warrior is clip fed (6 round IIRC).

Considering how much the US spent on it the Bradley better be the best of the two. I could buy a sizeable African nation with the development budget it had,

rabbidrabbit · « **Reply #21 on:** April 16, 2004, 09:15:49 PM »

They certainly spent way more than it s worth so you can't make much of a value arguement for the Bradley. BTW, the bradley holds a total of 300 rounds in the ammo bins. That 90 seconds of continous fire at max cycle rate before reload. I would imagine that a 6 round clip would be a major problem considering kill policy for the 25mm is to pump at least 4 through a BMP.

Dowding · « **Reply #22 on:** April 17, 2004, 07:01:25 AM »

Interesting info guys, thanks. I thought the info I posted was up to date - the website seemed quite authorative. Shame we haven't got anyone here with direct experience of the Warrior.

Nilsen · « **Reply #23 on:** April 17, 2004, 07:40:15 AM »

BMP-3 looks great and its available in a fully amfib version....no idea if the armor is any good tho.

Alot of IFV's around and most of them gets the job done well i would think. its mostly all about how you use them that matters. The most important factor in the long run that has not been mentioned is reliability and fuel economy witch are both important in war and peacetime....TCO.

Nashwan · « **Reply #24 on:** April 17, 2004, 07:53:31 AM »

The Warrior is getting a new turret from 2006, fitted with a 40mm CTA gun.

There's some nice pics of the ammo in the brochure:

http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2003gun/cta.pdf

_Schadenfreude_ · « **Reply #25 on:** April 17, 2004, 08:12:13 AM »

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Originally posted by Dowding
Interesting info guys, thanks. I thought the info I posted was up to date - the website seemed quite authorative. Shame we haven't got anyone here with direct experience of the Warrior.

Was a Ratel man myself....

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Dowding · « **Reply #26 on:** April 17, 2004, 08:15:19 AM »

Are wheels as good as tracks in most situations?

Vladd · « **Reply #27 on:** April 17, 2004, 09:15:26 AM »

I recall reading some time ago that the Warrior's cannon lacked auto-stabilisation...so it could only shoot accurately from the halt.

No idea if this is true however, but with typical MoD parsimony it wouldn't surprise me.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #28 on:** April 17, 2004, 09:48:25 AM »

What were you doing in the south african army?

rabbidrabbit · « **Reply #29 on:** April 17, 2004, 10:52:29 AM »

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Originally posted by Dowding
Are wheels as good as tracks in most situations?

There are a number of factors but for combat tracks are much better than wheels.

wheels:

Higher road speeds for a given HP
Less damage to roads
Much cheaper to operate. Tracks require replacement about every 3k miles.

Tracks:

Huge traction bonus, this is very important if you want to climb over debris like cars and roadblocks. Can drive through houses as well.
Much better weight distribution, much better on soft ground, climbing, pushing trees out of the way.
Can turn in own length with pivot, major advantage in urban area
Generally higher off road speeds
Can handle much higher vehicle weights
Much higher combat survival, wheels burn and blow apart.
Much more stabile gun platform, more area takes the shock from Motars and large caliber guns