Author Topic: Coral Sea (Read 5938 times)

Grits · « **Reply #75 on:** April 21, 2004, 11:22:00 AM »

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Originally posted by storch
ya grits fine with that except that the type 99-1 cannon rounds were modelled incorrectly causing the A6M2 driver to have to get within D150 for them to be effective.

I'm not so sure about that, I've read many accounts of how surprized Zeke pilots were at how ineffective their 20mm rounds were against US aircraft. There is no doubt you have to get very close for them to be effective, but I had 50 something kills in the A6M2 last '42 Slot and I'm no hotshot thats for sure. I read one account (I forget who it was, maybe Nishizawa) of a Zeke pilot unloading his entire 20mm ammo load into a B-17 doing recon over Rabaul and it just flew away, much to his amazement.

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the defensive armament on all bombers TBM & SBD included are rediculously overmodelled so the end result is typically at best 1 TBM per 120 magazine and a pilot wound minimum for most axis flyers.[/b]

I agree that all buff gunners are overmodeled, beyond rediculous, (and this aggravates the A6M2's weak gun package), but it is what we have. I dont think that justifies adding a late '43-early'44 plane in a '42 setup.

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this equals to *hmmm whats going on in the MA this week, or gee I haven't checked out H2H in a while*. when thinking about set ups we need to take those very frustrating factors into consideration. I will not participate in any scenarios that feature the A6M2 or the 109E. I'm completely convinced I'm not alone in that decision. [/B]

My dislike of late war VVS sets is well known, but some love them, even LW pilots, they feel its a "challenge" while I feel its a slaughter. This set is not as lopsided as Hungary/Kurland IMO, but I think I am in the minority in that belief. To each his own I guess.

Arlo · « **Reply #76 on:** April 21, 2004, 12:28:20 PM »

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Originally posted by storch
ya grits fine with that except that the type 99-1 cannon rounds were modelled incorrectly causing the A6M2 driver to have to get within D150 for them to be effective. the defensive armament on all bombers TBM & SBD included are rediculously overmodelled so the end result is typically at best 1 TBM per 120 magazine and a pilot wound minimum for most axis flyers. this equals to *hmmm whats going on in the MA this week, or gee I haven't checked out H2H in a while*. when thinking about set ups we need to take those very frustrating factors into consideration. I will not participate in any scenarios that feature the A6M2 or the 109E. I'm completely convinced I'm not alone in that decision.

1v1 ... sure .. it's a chore. But I've taken down a TBM with a zeke-2 and had plenty of rounds left (blew him into a fireball even). It took about 6 or so oblique passes - but the last one apparently hit him in his vitals. Of course I also had a fuel leak and had to rtb. Had the guy in the TBM been able to put a few more rounds in me it may have gone the other way. Buff guns are indeed tough to deal with. Too tough? Depends on who's behind them. Armor over-modeled? Neh. Half my passes went too wide.

Point being ... players may complain about things "they know to be true" based on their own experiences but that doesn't really make it true. Even if a half dozen of them get together and go "yeah ... yeah man ... it's porked ... my experiences match yours!" That doesn't really mean anything. A post from Pyro or HiTech or Skuzzy saying it's porked and they're either working on it or it can't be fixed is about all I'll accept. I've seen too many complaints about porkage that I've proven wrong on my end.

Arlo · « **Reply #77 on:** April 21, 2004, 12:32:22 PM »

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Originally posted by Grits
OK, good idea. SBD's were "scout/bombers" anyway weren't they?

Sure were. And they have decent speed. They can stay in the air alot longer than TBMs too.

Swastikas are for kids!

enemyace · « **Reply #78 on:** April 21, 2004, 12:37:41 PM »

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Originally posted by Shane
yeah, right.

nice spin, nazi admirer.

what does this have to do with the subject at hand. he is talking about a combat simulation and you want to get racist. hitler was wrong, but holding grudges against germans is the same as holding grudges against the jews for crucifying christ.

storch · « **Reply #79 on:** April 21, 2004, 12:39:12 PM »

and they can turn with the zeke and get you coming or going.

Arlo · « **Reply #80 on:** April 21, 2004, 12:49:55 PM »

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Originally posted by enemyace
what does this have to do with the subject at hand. he is talking about a combat simulation and you want to get racist. hitler was wrong, but holding grudges against germans is the same as holding grudges against the jews for crucifying christ.

Oh ... does this have "confusion" written all over it!

Arlo · « **Reply #81 on:** April 21, 2004, 12:52:44 PM »

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Originally posted by storch
and they can turn with the zeke and get you coming or going.

Does this mean the SBD is on your long list of planes you hate to fight against?

Grits · « **Reply #82 on:** April 21, 2004, 01:30:44 PM »

Arlo, I'm beggin you, Storch is being civil, please dont provoke him.

artik · « **Reply #83 on:** April 21, 2004, 01:31:18 PM »

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Originally posted by Jester
IMO (and I will probibaly regret saying it) the swastika should be in the game and on the tail of every German plane because it is "HISTORICAL" - it was on the real aircraft during WW2. Not because it stands for anything in particular. I realize that to some people it is distasteful and in some countries it is flat against the law to display it BUT no swastika ever killed ANYONE. It's those people that used it as a symbol of hate and to further their own ends of a Master Race and World Domination. Groups use all kinds of symbols for that - not just the swastika.

The problem - that you forget something.

You forget what is the meaning of it symbol:
Holocaust, Aushwitz, Treblinka, Sobibor - etc. - the list is too long.

I do not know how any normal human can put it in its avatar.

And if you forget it............. the nation that forget its past doen't have future.........

I don't think more can be said...... if you can't understand it now probably you will never be able to understand what does it means.

gear · « **Reply #84 on:** April 21, 2004, 02:50:08 PM »

The thig about this set up is that it would force both sides to do longrange recon,and with no radar coverage then the element of suprise would be a great advantage.So if you stop and think about it this could be a very relistic simulation of what went on during that period( or atleast I hope so).

storch · « **Reply #85 on:** April 21, 2004, 04:40:43 PM »

do you mean that one of the toxic twins is picking a fight with me again grits? I ignore their posts and I squelch them when I play as they seldom have anything edifing or intelligent to add to any discussion. Don't worry I won't become involved in that behavior any more.

Artik, objection noted. you are within your reason. please let it go now.

Grits · « **Reply #86 on:** April 21, 2004, 05:00:20 PM »

I'm not taking sides Storch, I actually like all three of you (if you can beleive that), I have not yet found anybody I dislike in AH. I just dont want to see the good discussion about Coral Sea get derailed.

TheBug · « **Reply #87 on:** April 21, 2004, 05:11:56 PM »

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Originally posted by artik
The problem - that you forget something.

And if you forget it............. the nation that forget its past doen't have future.........

Like maybe a nation that builds walls and creates ghettos??

Arlo · « **Reply #88 on:** April 21, 2004, 05:19:45 PM »

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Originally posted by storch

No comments from arlo required on this one either.
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I don't need any flames from the toxic twins.
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there you go, can't you just leave things be??
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do you mean that one of the toxic twins is picking a fight with me again grits? I ignore their posts and I squelch them when I play as they seldom have anything edifing or intelligent to add to any discussion. Don't worry I won't become involved in that behavior any more.

No Grits ... Storch doesn't get to have it both ways. When he made a poopoo and cried about "being addressed in a forum" all the time, then ran to Skuzzy and cried about it, THEN baited for more after it subsided ... well that just shows he craves the attention and thinks he can give and not take now.

Cause and effect. He ain't figured it out yet.

But you're my buddy and I've passed the ball. Let's you and I see how long Storch can hold onto it. He supposedly "has me squelched" and all. I'll give it a good week. If he can make it that far, then maybe he's over it.

storch · « **Reply #89 on:** April 21, 2004, 05:24:17 PM »

Honestly, I don't remeber how the pissy attitudes came into being but I would like to see them ended. it's retarded on my part to allow them to continue. so until a little time passes i can ignore the personal flames.