Author Topic: Euros: EU Constitution - YES or NO ? (Read 1147 times)

straffo · « **Reply #15 on:** April 20, 2004, 07:08:40 AM »

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Originally posted by Hortlund
hehe funny
Have you read EC/EU regulations and/or laws Straffo?

Not the subject here.

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How many do you think has read the EU constitution proposal?

I mean I had to read the Maastricht treaty and teh original EC constitution back in lawschool, and that was about as complicated and horribly...horribly...horribl y...disgustingly boooring as it possibly can be.

How can have you read something not written ????
There is still no EU constitution, I agree ,the Maastrich treaty is a pain in the a... to read.
But again the subject is not this treaty.

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I dont think that anyone that doesnt directly work with it would want to read it, and I pity the poor sods who are forced to read it.

hu ??? I don't undertand this sentence.

Hortlund · « **Reply #16 on:** April 20, 2004, 07:14:47 AM »

You were asking how many of those saying no to the new EU constitution had actually read the proposed constitution.

I was just saying that it is very rare to have anyone read any EC/EU legislation whatsoever, because it is probably the most boring thing that anyone can read. No one wants to read these things simply because it is about as funny as reading the phonebook.

ravells · « **Reply #17 on:** April 20, 2004, 07:23:11 AM »

Actually there is a draft constitution wording out. I read some of it earlier today, and for European legislation it was refreshingly easy to read.

Not sure what EU legislation is like when it gets translated into Norweigian, Hortland, but in English it is just torturous to read.

Ravs

straffo · « **Reply #18 on:** April 20, 2004, 07:23:15 AM »

Well I can't disagree...
the advantage to the phone book is that from time to time you can spot a really hot girl

(and some truck driver too btw

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Momus-- · « **Reply #19 on:** April 20, 2004, 07:37:20 AM »

If they can get a UK opt-out on energy policy then I'll vote yes.

straffo · « **Reply #20 on:** April 20, 2004, 07:38:42 AM »

Documents here http://europa.eu.int/futurum/constitution/index_en.htm

Dowding · « **Reply #21 on:** April 20, 2004, 07:44:13 AM »

I'm still looking for the parts of constitution that deal with the reform of the corrupt EC. Until that is satisfactorily sorted out, and crooks like Chirac, Berlesconi etc are removed from influence or prevented from gaining prominent positions it won't get my support.

We also need to make sure countries like Poland don't send us all their refugees and criminals as well making provision for power to be GDP centric.

lazs2 · « **Reply #22 on:** April 20, 2004, 07:52:19 AM »

you could call it the "union of socialist republics". Make sure everyone had free health care and an apartment.

lazs

straffo · « **Reply #23 on:** April 20, 2004, 07:55:03 AM »

Are you sure corrupt is the right term to use ?

I would better use unproductive or leaking the proper output.

Btw if you really want the head of Chirac give us your queen head and we will give you Chirac head by mail return

It's a federal constitution proposal not something that can be negociated.

Go away Laz, your country already a constitution wich appear to work as lot of country (mine included) use some derivative of the original US constitution.
Btw it will be good if your governement start to use it again .

Duedel · « **Reply #24 on:** April 20, 2004, 08:00:26 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
you could call it the "union of socialist republics". Make sure everyone had free health care and an apartment.

lazs

No no, lets better build somthing like the USA where people have to have 3 jobs to be able to buy their burgers and freedom fries.

lazs2 · « **Reply #25 on:** April 20, 2004, 08:19:06 AM »

build what you want so long as everyone gets lots of free stuff and there are high taxes.

lazs

bikekil · « **Reply #26 on:** April 20, 2004, 08:19:50 AM »

Straffo,

As you said - there were dead bodies in Paris because of the terrorists right? so why you are not "dealing" with the problem? Do you guys think that if you hide in your hopes they will leave you alone? For one year - maybe... for 5 years? maybe.... but them, how about later? thinking that the problem WILL DISAPEAR is just foolish

It's something what other coutries DID while Hitler were "dealing" with Czechs or Poles (for example). See... "allies" gave him what he wanted and he stayed calm.. for year or two - was that a good deal? I don't thing so... especially as Poland or France got his bellybutton kicked a while after.
Now sure why some countries thinks that hiding or brown nosing terrorists (that's what you are doing) is the right way to "deal" with the problem... but prolly there is some reason.

Now, i'm not that stupid to believe in our politicians. Of course they are "brown nosing" US

I prefere this then brown nosing French or German butts

Also i'm sure we got NOTHING from US that have some real value in exchange... or very little... that's because our goverment is stupid and is not doing any good delas , BUT now - i like the thing that my country is serving a RIGHT CASE and it's not cowardly hiding like the others. I just hope we wot' be left alone by our "allies" when they decide to hide.

As for the EU - i dont' care about EU. EU is a BS

If you believe that France or Germany are trying to ack for someone else's good then themselves - you are a fool. So as i don't think you are a fool i do think you realise that in EU every country is pulling thing on his own side... so as Poland will if we join. So we will scream about the $ as much as you will scream about the $. We will try to take care of our business as you will. Only one good thing for me about EU is that i would not need a passport to pass the borrders inside EU.

Now the question is - do you believe in your politicians? If you will, be sure France have his business in Poland joining EU. I'm not that stupid to believe that EU would ever allow us to join if it was not in EU's good interest

With that optimistic though i say ~~to you Straffo~~

straffo · « **Reply #27 on:** April 20, 2004, 08:31:56 AM »

Sorry for my last post Bike I was to violent.
Will respond to your last post after a break.

Btw I can't think what happened in 1939 will happen again as the English say : lesson learned.

if you don't think EU is a chance look what happened to Portugal and Spain. They were affraid to join and we were affraid to let them in,but it look it's not that bad for everyone.

But when thinking of EU think of a very very long process.

You can see it was slow by looking at the history of the EU from the ECSC to the EEC.

ravells · « **Reply #28 on:** April 20, 2004, 08:46:33 AM »

lol, sorry Gsholtz!

This is what happens when you are trying to do three things at once. Hortlund becomes a Norweigian, I've Probably called one of my clients Mr Black, and I've probably sent you a bill!

Ravs

Hortlund · « **Reply #29 on:** April 20, 2004, 08:55:56 AM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
Oh yes! Hortlund getting mistaken for a Norwegian, that made my day.

Anyways Hortlund, I think you will find it a bit more logical to sink the Frenchmen in the ocean instead, and just keep the land. After all it's the people you hate, not the dirt they live on.

Nah, I've got nothing against the average frenchman, most french people Ive met have been really nice people. Its France I hate.

I now invite you to ponder over the deeper philosophical implications of this statement. Is it possible to hate french policy, french peasants dumping manure on the streets like spoiled children when they dont get their every wish fulfilled, Chiraq, Garlic-smelling-we-are-better-than-everyone-cheese-arrogance, hairy armpits and terrorist-appeasement without hating each and every frenchman individually and personally?