Gun Owners

[Yeager]

The democrats used to represent gun owners then the perverts, socialists (aka closet communists) and athiests took control of the platform and now we have this mess called modern day america.

woohoo  WTG!

[MrLars]

Originally posted by GtoRA2
<<>>Mlars

It would be nice if the Dems got a clue about gun controll, hell the republicans seem to be caving more and more on it.

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A recent poll at a decidedly LW BB showed that:

I have not changed from 2000 to 2004: I am VERY pro-gun:  27%

I have not changed from 2000 to 2004: I am VERY pro-gun-CONTROL:  21%

2000-2004: I have become somewhat more pro-gun; the Busheviks have shown me how important the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is:  14%

2000-2004: I have become somewhat more pro-gun-CONTROL. Gun proliferation is still and issue and it's still wrong: 0 votes

2000-2004: Total Flip-Flop-- was pro-gun-CONTROL, Busheviks have shown me that we must all be armed to the teeth to resist Tyranny (or demonstrate that we can if we have to): 1 vote

2000-2004: Total Flip-Flop: I was pro-gun, but now am pro-gun-CONTROL: 0 votes

I have always been in the center on this issue: gun ownership is good but needs to be regulated:  37%

209 people responded to this unscientific poll. IMO, it shows that the Democratic mindset regarding gun control is changing for the better.

[GtoRA2]

Mrlars
 I have many Democrat friends, and all but one are totaly pro gun, the one is a closet commie, no joke he is full on in love with the idea of commism. Still he is only marginaly antigun.

I think it is more the some of the big name dem politicians like fienstien that are the anti gun ones.


The whole Idea of gun control is so dumb, like banning guns or making them harder to get to law abiding people will change a thing. The laws on the books prove it wont.

I am all for background checks and Fellons not having guns.  But thats it.
None of this waiting period BS, I already have guns why should I have to wait, if I was going to go on a killing spree I have enought to do it now.

Why can I not buy more then a gun a month again? Thats going to stop what?

[MrLars]

Originally posted by GtoRA2


Why can I not buy more then a gun a month again? Thats going to stop what?

You're preaching to the choir there...I'm with ya.

Hopefully the attitude will change to the point of reversing some of these state laws restricting lawbiding citizens from our right to purchase when and how many, within reason, guns we want.

[GtoRA2]

Maybe.

Hell I doubt the rabid anti gunners in Cali will see the light any time soo though.

[MrLars]

Originally posted by GtoRA2
Maybe.

Hell I doubt the rabid anti gunners in Cali will see the light any time soo though.

Just remember that the anti-gun faction are a minority, a very vocal minority but a minority nonetheless.

That's why change has to come from within the Democratic party, there are more than a few of us working on this very issue.

[GtoRA2]

I know man, but with guys like Parrata around here, who keeps doing his best to take our rights away it is hard to not be pissed all the time.

[Thud]

Originally posted by MrLars
Just remember that the anti-gun faction are a minority, a very vocal minority but a minority nonetheless.

That's why change has to come from within the Democratic party, there are more than a few of us working on this very issue.

Just out of curiosity: are the 'pro-gun' minded more numerous than their opposition in the States?

[storch]

It seems that most anti personal freedom people in the US are women and girly men.  we do our part to remedy this great tragedy through education.  by inviting my daughters and their friends to go shooting with us we have impacted at least a dozen young ladies and help to bring about an open mind to the idea of personal protection.  once you teach them that a firearm is just a tool and there is nothing inherently evil about it they actually enjoy themselves.  a few have gone on to purchase personal protection weapons for themselves.  the girly men are a whole nother story.  by far the worst thing the liberals have created in fourty years of social experimentation.  these poor misguided gender confused types are actually much harder to reason with than women.  proof of which is being constantly presented with these very threads.  It would seem that at present, with the exception of the people's republic of kalifornia and union of soviet socialists states of the northeast anti personal freedom legislation is easily defeated.  while most states now allow concealed carry, lamentably the majority of the herd er population live within the jurisdictions of the above mentioned nanny republics

[lazs2]

lars... it is good to work to educate democrats on firearms rights but... a waste of time if you continue to vote for them..  most democrat politicians are rabid anti gun and will use the power of being elected against us... the more of them elected the more they feel they have a chance.

Some may even be soft on destroying human rights but... push comes to shove... they are gonna get their picture taken with msss brady and fienstein and shumer and teddy.

a block of democrats writing an official saying that they will no longer vote democrat until the party changes it's view on gun rights is the only way.

They are a minority but they feel they have a mandate amung their people..  they will never feel any different if you continue to vote for em.

lazs

[lazs2]

thud... any candidate for presedent that ran on a platform of changing the second amendment would be slaughtered... those who run on a platform of strengthening it do well.

every terrorist act brings more new firearms owners... every serial killer.. every serial rapist... every crime wave.

lazs

[MrLars]

Originally posted by lazs2


They are a minority but they feel they have a mandate amung their people..  they will never feel any different if you continue to vote for em.

lazs

Yeah Lazs,

Like I'm going to let the rambling rhetorical tripe that you type here sway my opinion on a topic that, for me, requires an educated and informed decision process to form an opinion on what politcal party would be best for me as well as my country.

[lazs2]

Vote for who you like but be assured that every democrat that gets into power is just one step closer to losing our firearms rights.

Most of the other stuff is too complex for us peasants anyway but... everytime I see a nanny law like helmets or seatbelts or scooter or hot rod bans it is a democrat that is behind it... these are tangible provable things... voting records of politicos  are tangible evidence.

I don't like the voting records of democrats.. they don't have my interests at heart and they are too big a busybodies.

lazs

[Thud]

Originally posted by lazs2
everytime I see a nanny law like helmets or seatbelts or scooter or hot rod bans it is a democrat that is behind it.lazs

Is it a bad thing to live till your time has come instead of ending up as a traffic statistic?

WTH is wrong with mandatory helmets and seatbelts?

[lazs2]

what is wrong with em?   tell me... what would be wrong with maiking everyone who ever entered water more than 6" deep wear an approved life jaclket?

Nothing is wrong with helmets or seatbelts.   I wear them on occassion but... it needs to be my choice.   I have no problem with my insurance adding a surrcharge to my preimium for not wearing em.

It used to be that your insurance co would ask you if you wore seatbelts or not and charge accordingly.... same for life insurance if you smoke or overeat... it is pretty simple really.

the point is that you don't want to give up any of your rights or choices to the government unless you absolutely have to..    I don't even see how they can make some drivers wear helmets and not others.   I don't even see why they should have any say in it at all.

lazs