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Offline GRUNHERZ

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Re: Bush believes in strict, constitutional constructionism
« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2004, 02:54:49 PM »
Burn the Great Shaitan Bosh!!!!

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« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2004, 03:28:13 PM »
I always thought constructionist believe in strick interpretation rather than liberal interpretation.  That is to say adding amendmants is not beyond the scope of constructionism.

I may be mistaken
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« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2004, 03:30:31 PM »
Please define "strict, constitutional constructionism" as viewed by Bush. You know libertarians believe in "strict, constitutional constructionism" and if you look how they define it would be at odds with most conservative republicans.

Are saying Bush believes in the exact literal reading of the Constitution leaving no room for interpretation?

Or he believes in the original / historical intentions of the writers?

The definition of "strict, constitutional constructionism" is as ambiguous as the Constitution itself.

Bush is in opposition to activist judges who re-interpret laws to suit their modern political view. Instead of leaving certain decisions to the legislative branch some liberal judges actually make law.

Had it not been for these types of judges Bush wouldn’t need to support most of the issues you cite.

Also in this "democracy" very few politicians take responsibility for what they do and cause. A "balanced budget amendment" is a tool to force responsibility on the legislator to convince them to quit spending more money then they take in. I don’t support it but I understand the desire to gain some control. But even so what do you think a "strict, constitutional constructionist" thinks about taxes to begin with?

There’s another thread going on right now about "Reagonomics". "Liberals kept spending" and "Reagan kept cutting". Who's fault was it?

"Victim's rights" is something I don’t agree with. Justices should be blind not only toward the accused but toward the victim and the law should be applied based on the facts of the crime itself rather then having a parade of family and friends of the victims crying before a jury.

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« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2004, 04:47:57 PM »
Guys, constructionism has no connection to ammendments at all!

Be it loose or strict, ammendments are allowed.
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« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2004, 05:37:12 PM »
Flip Flop!

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« Reply #20 on: April 25, 2004, 06:22:22 PM »
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Curly, I don't think you get what constructionism is.



Constructionism, be it loose or strict, is based solely off of how you read it.  

I.E.  Most liberals favor Loose Constructionism.  This can actually change the meaning of the constitution.  They believe that the constitution is up for interpretation and can be interpretated however they like.  Meaning you can interpret everything from the constitution.

Most conservatives favor strict constructionism.  This means that the Constitution is meant exactly how it is written.  It is not up for interpretation.

Who's right?  Don't know.


However, each side can change the constitution via Ammendment.  There is nothing wrong with this.


Weird, that's what I said - meant exactly how it is written.  Obviously it has to be up for interpretation.  For example, Brown versus Board of Education.

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« Reply #21 on: April 25, 2004, 06:29:39 PM »
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just another  "admire kerry curly" post - nothing of substance folks

look at the alternative curly .... you truely think it is better than the present admin?


Eagler, I'm not a big Kerry fan, and given the choice, would vote for someone else.  But vote for Bush?  He's a mental midget in short pants; his gang of cronies are crooks; he borders on being a pathological liar.

Bush's speeches are his sole redeeming virtue.  They are very entertaining.  He invents new words, uses real words in inappropriate ways and generally makes a fool of himself.

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« Reply #22 on: April 25, 2004, 06:47:22 PM »
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Eagler, I'm not a big Kerry fan, and given the choice, would vote for someone else.  But vote for Bush?  He's a mental midget in short pants; his gang of cronies are crooks; he borders on being a pathological liar.

Bush's speeches are his sole redeeming virtue.  They are very entertaining.  He invents new words, uses real words in inappropriate ways and generally makes a fool of himself.

curly


Now you know how those slightly right of center felt in the 2000 election (Gore our other choice).  ;)

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« Reply #23 on: April 25, 2004, 07:07:08 PM »
But vote for Bush? He's a mental midget in short pants; his gang of cronies are crooks; he borders on being a pathological liar.
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really just trash talking now.  Nothing to hold on to from what I can tell.  

Bush's speeches are his sole redeeming virtue. They are very entertaining. He invents new words, uses real words in inappropriate ways and generally makes a fool of himself.
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Yeah, he can be entertaining alright but I just contrast that with the eight years of slick willy and his absolute lack of sincerity or integrity and then recall how much I detested that man and Bush looks just fine.

Four more years.
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« Reply #24 on: April 25, 2004, 07:12:52 PM »
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He invents new words, uses real words in inappropriate ways


He's got nothing on Don King, that guy is a riot.
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« Reply #25 on: April 25, 2004, 07:13:45 PM »
Curly, you missed the point.

Constructionism has to do with what's on paper at that exact moment.  If you don't like it, you can change it.

However, constructionism has to do with how the constitution is read.  


It's sort of like reading a book.  Some people read the book and take it exactly for what it says.  Others try to interpret what it says even though the author says it's not up for interpretation (damn 11th grade english teacher).
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« Reply #26 on: April 25, 2004, 08:18:35 PM »
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Now you know how those slightly right of center felt in the 2000 election (Gore our other choice).  ;)


Sure, Rip, that was precisely my location too (and still is.)  I knew Gore was brighter than Bush and less likely to be hijacked by his VP and/or cabinet.  Gore's strength is his dad; his weakness is he's about as sharp as a basketball.

Looks like the same show this time too.

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Re: Bush believes in strict, constitutional constructionism
« Reply #27 on: April 25, 2004, 08:28:38 PM »
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And yet:

He favors amending the constitution

1.  to prevent gay marriage
2.  to outlaw abortion
3.  criminalize flag burning
4.  to balance the budget
5.  to enshrine victim's rights
 


He's got my vote on that alone:aok
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« Reply #28 on: April 25, 2004, 08:29:54 PM »
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Curly, you missed the point.

Constructionism has to do with what's on paper at that exact moment.  If you don't like it, you can change it.

However, constructionism has to do with how


Sure lasersailor, you're right.  Anyone who believes in the strict interpretation of the constitution certainly believes in amending the constitution

Strict constructionism is a hot phrase used by conservative legislators to convince the public that they (and they alone) are faithful to the constitution.

I just found Bushes squirming (to avoid the consequences of the constitution) amusing.

curly